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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #500 on: June 13, 2014, 05:13:04 am »
Sometimes descriptions seem to come from the consignors, like "earthen patina" for glued-on sand. Can anybody be sure with coins like this one here, whether it is even genuine?
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #501 on: June 13, 2014, 07:36:36 am »
Can anybody be sure with coins like this one here, whether it is even genuine?

I think so.  It is consistent with one of the two dies for this type except for the face and some heavy smoothing around the legend and major devices.  Unless it is a forgery copying a real die that was later tooled...but that doesn't make sense to me.

I see a lot of Sileraioi litrai tooled.  I think they were generally weakly struck at the face of the man-faced bull, and that is often the area where toolers focus, because who wants a coin of a man-faced bull with no face?  There is also one definite fake die for the Sileraioi, published on Forvm and discussed in another thread, and one suspected, see the second to last two coins here, which appeared on the market only recently and are of a style inconsistent with known Sileraioi bronzes:

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #502 on: June 23, 2014, 09:20:10 pm »
The above mentioned Sileraioi coin is now described as lightly tooled.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #503 on: November 02, 2014, 10:55:42 pm »

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Re: Badly Tooled EPEIV TOECI
« Reply #504 on: December 22, 2014, 05:14:32 pm »
It's been a few months since I visited fleabay but it didn't take long to remind me why I'd delayed my return so long. Still, there are always new surprises. I've always wanted an EPEIV TOECI as, and now is my chance. Perhaps I'll make an offer:

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #505 on: December 22, 2014, 06:27:09 pm »
Ugh!

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #506 on: January 15, 2015, 10:06:56 am »
First tooled in 2015, a Mamertinoi Pentonkion on sale in an Italian auction with provenance of being unsold in a German auction in 2010

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #507 on: January 15, 2015, 10:25:06 am »
I split the recent Demetrios Poliorketes posts into a new topic and moved it to Authentication, Fakes and Fraudshttps://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=99864.0
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #508 on: March 20, 2015, 10:27:26 am »
Coming up in a German auction, I believe the hair has been tooled

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #509 on: April 15, 2015, 10:11:04 am »
Another one coming up soon, especially the reverse.

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Claimed to have been: "Smoothed and tooled in ancient time" (sic).

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #510 on: June 23, 2015, 01:40:21 am »
This one is upsetting, from a trusted auction site who really ought to know better. An oversight possibly, but to my eye it's very blatant. No mention of this very obvious example of tooling. I very much hope this does not become a pattern for this well respected firm. Thoughts?

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here - Julia Titi on ebay
« Reply #511 on: July 24, 2015, 04:33:21 pm »
Domitian for Julia Titi

Described in translation as Carved, smoothed otherwise very nice see photo
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #512 on: July 24, 2015, 04:35:12 pm »
How do I make the picture bigger

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #513 on: August 03, 2015, 10:41:48 am »
This must be tooled, right?  I'm second guessing myself because of the venue, and that's the dangerous thing about these sneaking in to the more prestigious firms...

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #514 on: August 05, 2015, 06:05:54 pm »
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #515 on: August 05, 2015, 06:13:21 pm »
Egypt alexandria ae hadrians.


Drachm
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #516 on: August 05, 2015, 07:11:47 pm »
I don't see any tooling on this second coin (Alexandrian drachm).
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #517 on: August 06, 2015, 02:50:56 am »
i thought i saw deepening around upper part on the reverse, to make the figures more standing out.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #518 on: August 07, 2015, 12:03:31 pm »
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #520 on: August 10, 2015, 09:05:02 pm »
What do you all think, tooled or not tooled and your overall opinion of the coin. 

I had this originally posted trying to find out if it was a sestertius or dupondius.  I received my answer on that- sestertius.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #521 on: August 11, 2015, 02:45:35 am »
Hello Tim,

for me, it looks way too soft,
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #522 on: August 11, 2015, 03:06:48 am »
Quote from: curtislclay link=topic=53363.msg634176#msg634176 date= the 1438816307
I don't see any tooling on this second coin (Alexandrian drachm).
I agree, I see no tooling either on the Alexandria drachm. An attractive coin actually, I would not mind having in my collection.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #523 on: August 11, 2015, 03:25:41 am »
Quote from: curtislclay link=topic=53363.msg634176#msg634176 date= the 1438816307
I don't see any tooling on this second coin (Alexandrian drachm).
I agree, I see no tooling either on the Alexandria drachm.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #524 on: August 11, 2015, 04:36:30 am »
It is tooled. But it might also be a cast fake that has been tooled.
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