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« Reply #375 on: June 13, 2012, 08:31:38 am »

You should have chosen this one (condition "almost very fine"). I need not mention the seller.
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« Reply #376 on: June 19, 2012, 02:14:56 pm »

Never seen a thing like this... so hard tooled to become an incuse!!  Shocked
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« Reply #377 on: June 19, 2012, 02:23:57 pm »

I can see no tooling, it's just the lighting from the bottom. If you turn the picture upside down the reverse doesn't look incuse anymore.

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« Reply #378 on: June 26, 2012, 06:31:33 am »

Looks like the next class called Intro To Tooling And Smoothing has begun at you-know-where.

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« Reply #379 on: June 26, 2012, 11:25:22 am »

I can see no tooling, it's just the lighting from the bottom. If you turn the picture upside down the reverse doesn't look incuse anymore.

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You are right, the incuse look is only for the light, sorry for the mistake. Anyway the coin is tooled, as the ebay seller declares in the description.
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« Reply #380 on: July 03, 2012, 06:18:59 am »

As one who appreciates critter coins, this one makes me weep.

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« Reply #381 on: July 03, 2012, 06:29:15 am »

As one who appreciates critter coins, this one makes me weep.



Nice job! Indeed all three critters on the coin seem to have had cosmetic surgery / face lifts / upholstery enhancements / boob-jobs / whatever the current parlance is.

I've now got beyond these michael-jackson quality alterations. They exist, and they are obvious. My concern is now at the next level up. Minor nip-and-tuck's so to speak. An 80 year old face converted to look not a day older than 70. "Gentle smoothing" that hides outright but not blatant alteration.
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« Reply #382 on: July 10, 2012, 06:45:30 am »

I've resisted posting those types because unless you've got the coin in hand, you can't be absolutely sure.  The conversation can drift from "why do you think that?" to "whats your qualifications?" and I don't want that sort of thing.  I enjoy the light-hearted-obvious-to-everyone examples that can be properly mocked and ridiculed.  Bringing others up to the level of which you speak is a benefit of this thread.  Perhaps a thread titled 'Lightly Tooled Coins' should be started.

Everyone's heard of "flame red" hair...

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« Reply #383 on: July 11, 2012, 05:59:02 am »

Andrew - How about this one?  The obverse looks fine to me, but look at the owl's beak (and maybe the eyes).  To me, they might have been worked over.  Can't be sure though.  I wouldn't/couldn't condemn the coin without looking at those features under magnification.  I like the coin, but it comes from my favorite Tool & Die shop.
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« Reply #384 on: July 11, 2012, 06:09:42 am »

Andrew - How about this one?  The obverse looks fine to me, but look at the owl's beak (and maybe the eyes).  To me, they might have been worked over.  Can't be sure though.  I wouldn't/couldn't condemn the coin without looking at those features under magnification.  I like the coin, but it comes from my favorite Tool & Die shop.

Looks not tooled to me. The surfaces are untouched, the lettering, and the transitions from surfaces to devices look ok. Were it tooled, one or all of these would not be ok. I can't comment on the design aspects, I don't know the type, so I don't know if you see alterations to device details that I would miss.
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« Reply #385 on: July 11, 2012, 07:07:39 am »

The cut seems a little deep on the beak (to me) and the eyes are not consistant with wear on other parts of the coin's relief.  Everything else looks fine.  I'd want to handle the coin first if I were intending to buy it.  Partly because of seller - if it were offered by our host here, I'd have no hestitation.
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« Reply #386 on: July 11, 2012, 08:45:10 am »

...if it were offered by our host here, I'd have no hestitation.

I appreciate the confidence.  However, if this coin is tooled (but I don't think it is), something that subtle could easily slip by me unnoticed.  Its always a good idea to take a good look at coins when you receive them because dealers are human. 
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« Reply #387 on: July 17, 2012, 08:47:35 am »

No comment needed.
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« Reply #388 on: July 17, 2012, 10:05:07 am »

Not tooled in my opinion, just struck from a worn die.
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« Reply #389 on: August 11, 2012, 03:25:51 pm »

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« Reply #390 on: August 22, 2012, 05:33:26 am »

This one is comical.
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« Reply #391 on: August 22, 2012, 06:30:18 am »

I see a doublestruck nose and flat-struck hair on this one, and deposits removed from the whole surface, but no tooling!

Can you show us another specimen of the same coin for comparison and point out where you see tooling?
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« Reply #392 on: August 22, 2012, 07:39:01 am »

I see a doublestruck nose and flat-struck hair on this one, and deposits removed from the whole surface, but no tooling!

I agree it looks like a flat strike hence there is detail at lower reliefs and flat areas at high relief. This coin is less worn than it looks at first glance.
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« Reply #393 on: August 22, 2012, 09:13:55 am »

Not a coin but a jaw dropping restoration attempt...

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« Reply #394 on: August 22, 2012, 10:43:16 am »

She turned it into modern art!
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« Reply #395 on: August 22, 2012, 02:39:04 pm »

 Completely worked over, otherwise very fine.
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« Reply #396 on: August 22, 2012, 03:08:14 pm »

Nah, she's just brought out the family resemblance to the monkeys.
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« Reply #397 on: August 22, 2012, 06:57:30 pm »

This one is comical.

I see that the seller himself calls this coin "tooled" and sometimes does sell tooled bronzes, but I think he is wrong in this case, though the reverse does look a little scratched and scraped (but not tooled).
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« Reply #398 on: August 23, 2012, 10:14:40 am »

I agree with your observations on the reverse, which is why I did not post an image.  I took the seller to his word, given that he has bragged in correspondence with me on the 'skill' of his workshop.  Here's another example, but not from him.
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« Reply #399 on: August 23, 2012, 11:42:57 am »

I agree with your observations on the reverse, which is why I did not post an image.  

I recognise that you had a reason for not disclosing the reverse. Still, there is merit in the Forvm guidance, to always post both sides of a coin, and to disclose all information about the coin (but not about the seller) in advance (in this case, that the coin was actually described as tooled). It makes for more meaningful comments and reduces the work of those commenting!   Smiley

I see no tooling on either side.
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