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« Reply #200 on: May 04, 2011, 05:45:30 am »

As specifically advertised by the seller.  Unless stunningly blatant, I would never offer up a coin here as tooled without such a seller pronouncement.  In this case, I would agree with the seller.

Looks to me like the right obverse field and just left of the mintmark on the reverse have been smoothed.  I don't see anything wrong with the bust of Trajan but the inconsistant wear and abrupt detail changes on the reverse raise enough of an eyebrow to warrant magnification.  That patina sure looks a lot like Jax.
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« Reply #201 on: May 23, 2011, 05:48:29 am »

Offered up as smoothed and tooled.

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« Reply #202 on: May 27, 2011, 04:00:38 pm »

Absolutely hair raising!

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Roman Republic, Sextus Pompey, AE AS Craw. 478, SR 348, Died 35 BC, F+.  Laureate Janiform head, with features of Pompey the Great, MAGN above/Rev. Prow of galley right, PIVS above

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« Reply #203 on: May 27, 2011, 05:04:01 pm »

Lloyd, could this be a badly cleaned 'Imitative' with scratched surfaces rather than a tooled official piece? The style is messed up to be sure, but I'm not sure I see any evidence of detail-tooling here. I would be curious to know the weight of this piece, it might tell us something.
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« Reply #204 on: May 27, 2011, 05:19:18 pm »

I find it difficult to believe that the jaw lines, eye outlines, hair and the left end of the prow are not the result of tooling.  The surfaces have all been heavily smoothed and to my eye the design roughly carved into the otherwise smoothed surfaces.  Little of it looks to bear an original surface IMHO. It may well be a heavily tooled imitative.  However, based on the photo I find it extremely difficult to believe that it has not been subject to heavy smoothing and tooling.
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« Reply #205 on: May 31, 2011, 06:48:59 am »

Pretty easy to spot.

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« Reply #206 on: June 22, 2011, 05:27:08 am »

Here's one for you.  Look at the eye and jawline on the obverse and the leaves on the reverse.  Brutal.

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« Reply #207 on: July 05, 2011, 06:06:35 am »

The 'eyes' have it...

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« Reply #208 on: July 06, 2011, 02:24:49 am »

Sold with the honest description... VF, tooled surfaces.   However, I am not sure how such a tooled coin can be described as VF.
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« Reply #209 on: July 06, 2011, 07:23:58 pm »

For tooled coins, Forum normally does not include a grade, except TOOLED.  We avoid selling tooled coins but if we are stuck with one and the other alternative is throwing it in the garbage, we usually put it on eBay.
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« Reply #210 on: July 11, 2011, 05:01:32 pm »

Just doing a desultory browse on e*ay and stumbled across this one.

Hair and wings are tooled, right?

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« Reply #211 on: July 12, 2011, 08:10:00 am »

Hair and wings are tooled, right?

I don't think so.

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« Reply #212 on: July 17, 2011, 02:46:35 pm »

I can only shake my head at this one.

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« Reply #213 on: July 17, 2011, 03:10:12 pm »

Definitely a strong contender for the Worst in Class title.
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« Reply #214 on: July 26, 2011, 05:59:16 am »

Both manes have been 'improved'.

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« Reply #215 on: August 01, 2011, 05:26:36 am »

A well tended coif...
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« Reply #216 on: August 01, 2011, 06:29:06 pm »

Two heads are better than one when it comes to tooling... at least this seems to be the conclusion from the popularity of this type with the toolers.
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« Reply #217 on: August 01, 2011, 07:17:54 pm »

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« Reply #218 on: August 08, 2011, 06:07:52 am »

The hammer price for the Janusform Sextus Pompey was €222 ($315 US).   Here's the reverse:


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« Reply #219 on: August 08, 2011, 06:33:27 am »

The hammer price for the Janusform Sextus Pompey was €222 ($315 US).   Here's the reverse:

The buyer would have been better served spending the money on new spectacles!
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« Reply #220 on: August 11, 2011, 12:11:01 pm »

A well tended coif...

A friend brightly pointed out that this is in fact a Pompey/Agrippa As (Agrippa facing right with his characteristic battered features and broken nose). Yes of course it is!

The seller did plainly say that the coin is tooled.
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« Reply #221 on: August 15, 2011, 01:53:00 pm »

Here's a tooled Cleopatra VII and an unaltered one to compare.

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« Reply #222 on: August 16, 2011, 01:44:30 pm »

Here's an Antoninus as which ought to have Jupiter seated.......nude to the waist!


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« Reply #223 on: August 19, 2011, 08:52:47 am »

Gasp!!  Poor Hadrian...
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« Reply #224 on: August 23, 2011, 01:11:14 pm »

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