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Offline Mark Z

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #150 on: January 11, 2011, 02:55:25 pm »
A couple of hideous offerings from sylester.ekaterina @ eBay, posted with this disclaimer:

I  am  only a seller from nice coins .I not really now everything from roman coins . I buy what i think i can sell again !

if i have somthing wrong about age ,date ,emperor ,toolt or even the coin is a fake or somthing other  please understand i dont now this then and please write me about this !

So there has not to be a drama about the auction how some ebayers think they must do .

WHAT I SELL IS WHAT I THINK IS AUTHENTIC.


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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #151 on: January 11, 2011, 03:02:36 pm »
Has anyone informed the poor woman?
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« Reply #152 on: January 13, 2011, 07:26:44 am »
A gussie-upped Gorgon...

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #153 on: January 13, 2011, 09:38:06 am »
Ugly, Ugly, Ugly!!!



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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #154 on: January 13, 2011, 10:27:36 am »
Another entry.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #155 on: February 05, 2011, 10:35:28 pm »
He/she took some time off, but "moonstone_lovely" is back.

Behold!

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #156 on: February 05, 2011, 11:47:48 pm »
I suspect a fake to begin with, tooled then dipped in his own special patina formula® by moonstone_lovely in his highly recognizeable and inimitable style in order to hide the evidence of casting.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #157 on: February 06, 2011, 10:06:38 am »
He seems to be changing up the reverses. More likely with casting, right?

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #158 on: February 06, 2011, 03:07:54 pm »
What's the opinion on this one? I want to make sure before contacting the seller.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #159 on: February 07, 2011, 01:00:23 am »
Stumbled across this one tonight on [REMOVED BY ADMIN] and then stumbled onto it here.

No comment as to authenticity, but I will say that Hadrian's nose seems less aquiline that usual on this one, at least compared to the RIC 750 specimens on coinarchives.com.

On the reverse, I don't like the way Felicitas' upper torso looks. Frequently, it seems that these toolers like to put breasts on under drapery to somehow make sure you notice them.

I've never dealt with him/her (long-time dealer, though), so I can't comment there, either.  :-\

But yes, a bad feeling...

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #160 on: February 11, 2011, 10:12:10 pm »
This one is from an auction house that used to be reputable and is now the bottom of the barrel.



Anyone else here contact Hirsch about the above badly tooled coin, and the others like it in its current auction, Auktion 271? I did, and know others did too. I received a response that "We will check this immediately." The coin is still up for auction, a full month later, with the auction taking place next week. I related this elsewhere. Doctoring like this without full disclosure violates dealer codes of ethics of various numismatic organizations. Not trying to be puritanical or anything here. And as full disclosure, I offered Hirsch an appropriate sum for this piece as a damaged coin if it wasn't a consignment item. I collect these Julian II Bull bronzes, and this is an interesting example of tooling that attempts to deceptively make a coin appear to have less wear and be more valuable.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #161 on: February 12, 2011, 03:36:48 am »
They know, it is their business model. They will sell everything and add a provenance for a fee.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #162 on: February 12, 2011, 04:57:47 am »
They know, it is their business model. They will sell everything and add a provenance for a fee.

Including fakes .Though for this coin they do not give the provenance.
BTW. What means geglatett. Smoothed ? Tooled? Or something totally different. In many of his coins he uses the word.



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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #163 on: February 12, 2011, 10:43:07 am »
Smoothed. Which is sometimes used by some sellers when 'heavily tooled' would be more accurate.
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« Reply #164 on: February 15, 2011, 07:41:11 am »
Both were advertised as obverse tooled.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #165 on: February 21, 2011, 08:56:01 am »
Prepare to wince at this Tooling Hall Of Shame candidate.

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« Reply #166 on: February 28, 2011, 07:19:38 am »
Jimmy Durante and his well manicured lady friend:

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #167 on: March 01, 2011, 05:58:31 pm »
I snorted coca cola through my nose while reading the Jimmy Durante....  to freakin funny.  True though, he does have the Schnozz's nose!

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #168 on: March 01, 2011, 06:10:07 pm »
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« Reply #169 on: March 09, 2011, 07:27:15 am »
This week's entry.

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« Reply #170 on: March 15, 2011, 09:12:54 am »
The emperor Tooljan.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #171 on: March 16, 2011, 12:55:13 am »
Is it just me? I don't want to believe it in this case.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #172 on: March 16, 2011, 05:43:19 am »
The hair and the drapery showing through Concordias legs seem tooled, they don't look like that on any of the examples I compared with. The seller is known for some cases of repaired gold coins a while back, just FYI.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #173 on: March 16, 2011, 08:00:22 pm »
The hair and the drapery showing through Concordias legs seem tooled, they don't look like that on any of the examples I compared with. The seller is known for some cases of repaired gold coins a while back, just FYI.

This is exactly what I see as well. Dissapointing.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #174 on: March 17, 2011, 08:33:14 am »
The seller is known for some cases of repaired gold coins a while back, just FYI.

This type of background information should be collected somewhere for buyers to reference. Just knowing whether someone sells outright fakes dioesn't seem to be enough, there are seemingly many other misdemeanours that sellers get away with

 

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