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« Reply #525 on: August 05, 2015, 04:13:21 pm »

Egypt alexandria ae hadrians.


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« Reply #526 on: August 05, 2015, 05:11:47 pm »

I don't see any tooling on this second coin (Alexandrian drachm).
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« Reply #527 on: August 06, 2015, 12:50:56 am »

i thought i saw deepening around upper part on the reverse, to make the figures more standing out.
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« Reply #528 on: August 07, 2015, 10:03:31 am »

This must be tooled, right?...


Yes.
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« Reply #529 on: August 10, 2015, 01:08:57 pm »


I emailed them and the coin has been withdrawn.
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« Reply #530 on: August 10, 2015, 07:05:02 pm »

What do you all think, tooled or not tooled and your overall opinion of the coin. 

I had this originally posted trying to find out if it was a sestertius or dupondius.  I received my answer on that- sestertius.

Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #531 on: August 11, 2015, 12:45:35 am »

Hello Tim,

for me, it looks way too soft,
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« Reply #532 on: August 11, 2015, 01:06:48 am »

Quote from: curtislclay link=topic=53363.msg634176#msg634176 date= the 1438816307
I don't see any tooling on this second coin (Alexandrian drachm).
I agree, I see no tooling either on the Alexandria drachm. An attractive coin actually, I would not mind having in my collection.
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« Reply #533 on: August 11, 2015, 01:25:41 am »

Quote from: curtislclay link=topic=53363.msg634176#msg634176 date= the 1438816307
I don't see any tooling on this second coin (Alexandrian drachm).
I agree, I see no tooling either on the Alexandria drachm.

thank you both, learning here every day, sometimes its so easy and then "easy" is not.
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« Reply #534 on: August 11, 2015, 02:36:30 am »

It is tooled. But it might also be a cast fake that has been tooled.
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« Reply #535 on: August 11, 2015, 02:50:43 am »

It is tooled. But it might also be a cast fake that has been tooled.
hello Areich,

the Drachm i posted?

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« Reply #536 on: August 11, 2015, 03:24:48 am »

Quote from: Crispus on August 10, 2015, 07:05:02 pm
What do you all think, tooled or not tooled and your overall opinion of the coin. 

I had this originally posted trying to find out if it was a sestertius or dupondius.  I received my answer on that- sestertius.

Thanks in advance!

Tim

Sorry, I didn't see that there was another page to this thread. I meant this coin.

The drachm looks fine to me.
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« Reply #537 on: August 11, 2015, 05:07:47 am »

If you are asking IF a coin is tooled, it should be in a separate thread.  This thread should be for posting photos of coins you are confident are tooled.
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« Reply #538 on: August 20, 2015, 12:21:07 pm »

Diameter: 33 mm

Weight  : 20,9 g
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« Reply #539 on: October 26, 2015, 07:14:58 am »

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« Reply #540 on: October 27, 2015, 03:58:38 pm »

I suppose my post is out of place here among all these attempts to raise the grade of worn out coins but tooling can beused to upgrade even to something that does not exist. 

I believe Zenobia started out as a Flavian as with Spes reverse.  I could not refuse it and would love to know if anyone ever bought it really thinking it was Zenobia.
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« Reply #541 on: October 27, 2015, 04:03:52 pm »

If my last one was bad, this is worse.  This photo was sent to me 45 years ago by a person I have forgotten.  I seem to have lost the reverse.  In case anyone misses the point here, there are no Roman denomination bronzes of Pescennius Niger so this does not need further work to be the best known.

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« Reply #542 on: January 28, 2016, 11:31:31 am »

Hadrian on sale no mention of tooling
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« Reply #543 on: January 29, 2016, 02:55:39 am »

Look at poor Diocletian...
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« Reply #544 on: January 29, 2016, 05:01:35 am »

Wow.  That's one of the worst examples I've seen in a while.  Who on earth would think it's a good idea to do that to an ancient artifact?  Only a real you-know-what!
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« Reply #545 on: January 29, 2016, 06:58:34 am »

Is it inappropriate to ask if tooling is becoming more acceptable in some places than others?  When I see badly tooled coins they seem to be more often from certain countries.  My eyes are offended by this sort of thing but the number of examples we see suggests it does not bother everyone.   
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« Reply #546 on: January 29, 2016, 07:16:44 am »

I don't know if it is more acceptable in other countries or not.  I think it is inexperienced buyers who see a big name firm and assume things are legit. 

The Greek coins from this seller had been getting slightly better over the last year or so- not as many horribly tooled coins and often times perfectly normal coins would be listed as "smoothed and tooled" (I assume it is the same seller of this present Roman coin).
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« Reply #547 on: January 29, 2016, 07:25:59 am »

I mailed to the auction house with those 2 Hadrian's, i mailed them
"An auction house should not post them for sale or at least text tooled or smoothed coins"

i did not receive any response.  Sad 
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« Reply #548 on: January 29, 2016, 08:22:19 am »

Is it inappropriate to ask if tooling is becoming more acceptable in some places than others?  When I see badly tooled coins they seem to be more often from certain countries.  My eyes are offended by this sort of thing but the number of examples we see suggests it does not bother everyone.   

For many years I've been collecting only untooled bronzes and disposing of any I feel might have been tooled, smoothed or overcleaned - and in the case of the first two categories, stating such in sale descriptions. It remains to be seen whether my endeavours will result in better sale prices, or if collectors used to toolies will just think, "not very sharp coins". I feel much the same way about natural old toned silver as against chemically cleaned coins. Many neophyte collectors have got used to collecting chemically cleaned silver. When I come to sell, they may think, "not very minty and a bit dirty". I still feel I must collect coins that have not been interfered with, but whether I get my reward in earthly dollars or in some form of antiquarian nirvana reserved for the purest of collectors, I have no idea.
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« Reply #549 on: January 29, 2016, 08:32:37 am »

Hopefully in earthly dollars based on repeat business given your evident honesty and transparency.

Though banking antiquarian nirvana is always a good investment too.

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