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« Reply #200 on: April 18, 2011, 05:14:28 am »

Ya think there's been any tooling around the legends?

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« Reply #201 on: April 18, 2011, 05:41:53 am »

A worthy coin in an unworthy condition azn
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« Reply #202 on: April 18, 2011, 07:37:04 am »

Ghengis Jon, this Antoninus Pius coin is untouched
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« Reply #203 on: April 18, 2011, 12:25:46 pm »

Seller reports (on the Andy Pius) "...with evidence of tooling around the legends..."
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« Reply #204 on: April 18, 2011, 12:28:29 pm »

He is probably mistaken, these sorts of depressions around the legend letters of large bronzes is not an uncommon phenomenon, this coin does not look tooled at all.
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« Reply #205 on: April 19, 2011, 08:54:28 am »

As Galaxy notes, depressions around the legend do not necessarily mean tooling.  Depressions can result from the flow of metal filling the dies.  I am not entirely sure of the physics but it does happen.  Also, reengraved/repaired dies sometimes result in similar looking depressions. There may be tooling on that coin, or perhaps not.     
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« Reply #206 on: April 27, 2011, 08:34:35 pm »

Here is the most tooled coin I have. 

AS of Antoninus Pius.
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« Reply #207 on: May 03, 2011, 05:40:34 am »

Tooled and smoothed.  I'd love to have one of these beauts in my collection, but untouched please.

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« Reply #208 on: May 03, 2011, 03:44:11 pm »

Admittedly a small picture, but that Trajan doesn't look tooled to me. What makes you sure it is?

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« Reply #209 on: May 04, 2011, 05:45:30 am »

As specifically advertised by the seller.  Unless stunningly blatant, I would never offer up a coin here as tooled without such a seller pronouncement.  In this case, I would agree with the seller.

Looks to me like the right obverse field and just left of the mintmark on the reverse have been smoothed.  I don't see anything wrong with the bust of Trajan but the inconsistant wear and abrupt detail changes on the reverse raise enough of an eyebrow to warrant magnification.  That patina sure looks a lot like Jax.
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« Reply #210 on: May 23, 2011, 05:48:29 am »

Offered up as smoothed and tooled.

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« Reply #211 on: May 27, 2011, 04:00:38 pm »

Absolutely hair raising!

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Roman Republic, Sextus Pompey, AE AS Craw. 478, SR 348, Died 35 BC, F+.  Laureate Janiform head, with features of Pompey the Great, MAGN above/Rev. Prow of galley right, PIVS above

Deserves entry in the Worst of The Type Gallery.... if only we had one!
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« Reply #212 on: May 27, 2011, 05:04:01 pm »

Lloyd, could this be a badly cleaned 'Imitative' with scratched surfaces rather than a tooled official piece? The style is messed up to be sure, but I'm not sure I see any evidence of detail-tooling here. I would be curious to know the weight of this piece, it might tell us something.
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« Reply #213 on: May 27, 2011, 05:19:18 pm »

I find it difficult to believe that the jaw lines, eye outlines, hair and the left end of the prow are not the result of tooling.  The surfaces have all been heavily smoothed and to my eye the design roughly carved into the otherwise smoothed surfaces.  Little of it looks to bear an original surface IMHO. It may well be a heavily tooled imitative.  However, based on the photo I find it extremely difficult to believe that it has not been subject to heavy smoothing and tooling.
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« Reply #214 on: May 31, 2011, 06:48:59 am »

Pretty easy to spot.

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« Reply #215 on: June 22, 2011, 05:27:08 am »

Here's one for you.  Look at the eye and jawline on the obverse and the leaves on the reverse.  Brutal.

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« Reply #216 on: July 05, 2011, 06:06:35 am »

The 'eyes' have it...

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« Reply #217 on: July 06, 2011, 02:24:49 am »

Sold with the honest description... VF, tooled surfaces.   However, I am not sure how such a tooled coin can be described as VF.
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« Reply #218 on: July 06, 2011, 07:23:58 pm »

For tooled coins, Forum normally does not include a grade, except TOOLED.  We avoid selling tooled coins but if we are stuck with one and the other alternative is throwing it in the garbage, we usually put it on eBay.
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« Reply #219 on: July 11, 2011, 05:01:32 pm »

Just doing a desultory browse on e*ay and stumbled across this one.

Hair and wings are tooled, right?

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« Reply #220 on: July 12, 2011, 08:10:00 am »

Hair and wings are tooled, right?

I don't think so.

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« Reply #221 on: July 17, 2011, 02:46:35 pm »

I can only shake my head at this one.

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« Reply #222 on: July 17, 2011, 03:10:12 pm »

Definitely a strong contender for the Worst in Class title.
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« Reply #223 on: July 26, 2011, 05:59:16 am »

Both manes have been 'improved'.

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« Reply #224 on: August 01, 2011, 05:26:36 am »

A well tended coif...
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