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Offline leseullunique

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Chinese coin mould
« on: August 25, 2008, 03:26:11 pm »
Hi all,

I will post here some picture of Chinese coins mold from my collection.

I don't have many (10 for now) but I think it's really interesting for every collector.

in chronological order

1st : 8 ZHU BAN LIANG (186-182 BC during Western Han dynasty)

this is very special mold with "Guan Liang" see difference on illustration on middle vertical line

Size: 109.62*115.22*28.4 mm
Weight: 206 g
diameter of coins: 28.5 and 30.5 mm
material: soapstone

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 03:36:10 pm »
2nd: 5 Fen BAN LIANG (also call 2 ZHU 4 LEI BAN LIANG) (182-175 BC during Western Han dynasty)

This is verry interesting mould because
- this mould where destroyed by officials to stop making of unofficiel coins.
- this is dubble side mould


Weight: 2968 g
Size: 285*117.5*33.5 mm
diameter of coins: 22-24 mm
material: soapstone

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 04:11:18 pm »
3rd: 5 Fen BAN LIANG (also call 2 ZHU 4 LEI BAN LIANG) (182-175 BC during Western Han dynasty )

clay mould


Weight: 351 g
Size: 136.31*81.43*17.03 mm

diameter of coins: 20-22 mm

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 04:39:56 pm »
4th: 4 zhu ban liang mould (175-157 BC during Western Han dynasty )

This is verry interesting mould because of

- engraver did make a bird in upper right corner
- only a small part is missing

Weight:  1294 g
Size: 244.22*117.68*21.38  mm
diameter of coins: 24 mm
material: soapstone

Important to classification of 4 Zhu Ban Liang

bronze without any rims: 175-157 BC
bronze with outer rim: 136-124 BC
bronze with inner and outer rim: 128-123 BC
Iron without any rims: 141-118 BC

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 04:54:01 pm »
5th and 6th: 2 adjacent partial of 4 ZHU BAN LIANG (141-118 BC during Western Han dynasty )

this is extremely interesting mould becazuse some residue of iron are still in the some cavities so we can suppose date between 141 and 118 BC

-this are 2 partial of same mould, destroyed by official to stop casting of unofficial coins by population. (It's extremely rare to find such item, it's first time I see 2 adjacent partial mould)

smallest
Weight:  736 g
Size: 112.29*88.89*31.9  mm
diameter of coins: 24 mm
material: soapstone

biggest
Weight: 1182 g
Size:  112.29*131.87*31.9 mm
diameter of coins: 24 mm
material: soapstone

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 05:05:11 pm »
7th: unfinished manufactured 4 zhu ban liang mould (175-118 BC during Western Han dynasty )

This is extremely rare, it's the only 1 specimen I did ever heard

Weight: 172 g
Size: 129.51*7.43*29.16 mm
diameter of coins: 24 mm
material: soapstone

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 05:12:07 pm »
I will post others tomorrow, now it's time to sleep in Belgium...

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 05:38:49 pm »
Wow,you own those? The first and the fourth have amazing detail!

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 07:38:54 pm »
Would they have been casting all the coins in moulds like those, or would they have been used to produce mother coins for sand casting?
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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2008, 12:18:24 am »
Dear Tiberius, Yes I own those, and I buy buy my first ( the 4th posted) in march except first posted and the unfinished mould, they come all from same hoard...

Dear Robert_Brenchley, these are partial moulds used for casting coins. The mother coins where used realy later.

After that, Chinese did used clay mother mould for casting of a bronze mould (I have some mother mould, I will show you)

I will give all explain when I will be back from work


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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2008, 10:36:35 am »
Here are all explain

History of chinese casting coins is not easy, I don't have all necessary knowledge to be complete but I can resume it. I can't give you any date because many system where used simultaneously...

Originaly, the coins where casted in Sand or clay mould, such moulds where easy to make but they where easyly broken when people tryed to take the casting money or during cooking.

For this reason, they did look to make moulds with higher resistance. They did use soapstone(1)  but such moulds where too heavy so the system can still be better.

Sometimes later, they did find 1 others systems, who give us 2 possibility of developpement:

First, they did make a mould to make mother mould so they did engraved (about 50 cavities) in stone (2) in the capital and they did cast clay in. So maked mother mould. These mother mould where exported in others city and mint. The workers in those mints did cast bronze and maked bronze moulds. The bronze mould had advantage than they was reusable for same coin like to make others moulds and the mother mould in clay where easy to broke if anybody want to steal it. The only problem was than such mother mould where fragile and where often broke on the way between making and mint.

Second, they did make a mould to make mother mould so they did engraved (4-10 cavities) in stone (2) in the capital and they did cast bronze in. So they maked mother mould. These mother mould where exported in others city and mint. Like such mother mould where small, it was easy to hide again thief. The workers in those mints did press this mother mould again clay. The small clay plates such making where staked to make overlap moulds in which they did cast bronze coins.

Many years later they did used Mother coins (First I know comes from Ming dynasty(1368-1644 AD). the Mother coins can be of 1st or 2nd generation, they are easy to identifi because the 1st generation mother moulds have round hole and deepest writing than for 2nd generation. The secong generation mother coins have square hole and deepest writing than coins.

I will post here all moulds from my collection and give illustration of all different moulds, mother moulds and mother coins quoted so it will be more easy to undestrand.

(1) Soapstone have good thermal resistance and is realy easy for engraving.
(2) Such itme are still undiscovered, this theory comes from Francois Thierry de Crussol a great world class expert.


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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2008, 01:07:04 pm »
8ht,9th and 10th: Da Quan Wu Shi partial moulds (7-14 AD)

It's lower quality than others sorry but I did never saw any others...

8th is upper part of obverse, 9th and 10th are obverse and reverse of same mould

upper part
Weight: 148 g
Size: 107*64*17mm

reverse (on left)
Size: 112*88*17mm

obverse (right)
Size: 113*88*17mm

3rd picture: DA (up) QUAN (down)  WU (right) SHI (left)  coins

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 10:51:50 am »
As promissed, here are picture of every kinds of moulds mentionned in the resume

1) first kind of mould, sand mould of Warring State period (475-221 BC) for casting of "Ming knifes" in kingdom of YAN (italian private collection)

2) Bronze mother mould for casting of Clay overlap moulds 2 obverses and 2 reverses of Da Quan Wu Shi during reign of Wang Mang (7-14 AD) (collection of shanghai museum)

3)Clay mother mould for casting of Bronze mould only obverses of Da Quan Wu Shi during reign of WangMang (7-14 AD) (collection of shanghai museum)

4) overlap mould for casting of Da Quan Wu Shi 3 obverses and 3 reverses (collection of shanghai museum)

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 11:12:17 am »
1) Bronze mould for casting of 4 zhu BAN LIANG during Western Han dynasty ( 175-118 BC) (private collection)

2) copy of early mother coin (also called master coin) (private collection)

3) mother coin of second generation (chinese private collection)

both mother coin a from Qing dynasty (1644-1911)

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 05:33:31 pm »
Wow!  :o

Thank you leseullunique for sharing your collection!!
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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2008, 03:18:24 pm »
thanks dear tantalus but unfortunatly, I don't have all moulds I would like to have...

here is the last one I did buy

11th) Junguo or chice wu zhu stone mould (118-113 BC)

Weight: 387g
Size: 91.86*92.44*20.26-16.83 (thickness)mm
diameter of coins: 25.52-26.01mm
material soapstone

Extremely interesting because of it's an error moulds reused.

On reverse you can see 4 center holes and others signs of early engravment but there isn't so space between the center holes to make the coins and the casting line.

I can illustrate it on other picture

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2010, 07:40:57 am »
Here is the las mouls arrived in my collection, moulds are realy rare so I can't have such items often...

Here is Wang Mang's mould for Da Bu Heng Qian spade, soch spades was casted between 10 and 14 AD .

Size: 86*74*14 mm
Weight: 85 g
diameter of coins: 58.5mm
material: clay

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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2010, 02:18:31 pm »
I already knew the mould of ONLYLINDA, I bought the mine near hir  a few monthes ago ;)


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Re: Chinese coin mould
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2010, 06:53:47 pm »
Those are great, thanks for taking the time to photograph and post them.

 

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