Are Gordian III Dupondi rare or just not worth of mention

[Arminius]

Much to my surprise i realized this is my first Gordian III dupondius from the Rome mint:

Gordian III., Rome mint, emisson 3a, 239 AD.,
Æ Dupondius (23-27 mm / 11,70 g),
Obv.: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG , radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Gordian right, seen from behind.
Rev.: VIRT-V-S AVG / S - C , Virtus standing left, holding branch and scepter; shield below left.
RIC IV, III, 45, 273c ; Coh. 385 .

RIC lists the rarity of Roman Gordian III dupondi from scarce to C2 - but they seem to be quite scarce in online resources:

Coinarchieves shows 12 (plus 8 Viminacium provincials)
Wildwinds: 4 (plus 1 Viminacium)
Forum galleries  0 (2 Viminacium)
*coins 0 (1 Viminacium)
*bay 0 (0 Viminacium)

Or are they not attractive to collectors and so not collected / just not worth of mention?

regards

[Pscipio]

Mid 3. Century AD middle bronzes in general are less common than Sestertii. For Gordian, in my experience, Sestertii are very common, Asses scarce and Dupondii rare.

Lars

[curtislclay]

Sestertii of the six types of Gordian's Issue 1 (RIC 254-9) in the collections of BM, Vienna, Paris, Berlin, ANS, and Copenhagen, according to Roger Bland's survey:

14, 15, 12, 10, 14, 10.

Asses:  7, 4, 7, 3, 4, 8.

Dupondii:  2, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0.  Dupondii of the three missing types were unknown to RIC, but one of them has turned up since then, and the other two may be expected to probably do so in the future.

In some other issues dupondii are less rare and turn up about as often as asses, but in general dupondii are rarer than asses, and asses rarer than sestertii.

Specimens of your dupondius RIC 273c in the six museum collections:  3.

[mauseus]

Hi,

I hadn't posted my dupondius of Gordian III in my Gordian gallery because I can't get a satisfactory picture of the reverse. Anyway I've put it in all the same.

Dupondius
Rome mint
AEQVITAS AVG SC
RIC 267b

Regards,

Mauseus

[curtislclay]

Specimens of RIC 267b in the six museum collections: 4.

[mauseus]

Hi,

THanks Curtis.

Regards,

Mauseus

[Arminius]

I got another one.
Even in RIC this Liberalitas II type is rated rare (and only one seen on acsearch.info):



Gordian III, Rome mint, emission 3a, 239 AD.,
Æ Dupondius (23-24 mm / 9,61 g),
Obv.: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG , radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust of Gordian right, seen from behind.
Rev.: LIBERALITAS AVG II / S - C , Liberalitas standing facing, head left, holding coin counter and cornucopiae.
RIC IV, III, 45, 269b (R) ; Coh. - .

(Chronology according K. Pink, Der Aufbau der römischen Münzprägung in der Kaiserzeit, III, Numismatische Zeitschrift 68 (1935), p 12-34.)

 

[curtislclay]

Two in the six museum collections: BM and Vienna.

One in Berk photofile: Lanz Graz IV, 1974, 649. Well worn, obv. die might be the same as yours, rev. hard to tell.

[leseullunique]

I personnaly have only few dupondii of Gordian

here is the list I will put picture tomorrow

1) obv IMP CAES MANT GORDIANVS AVG
rev SALVS AVG SC (salus seated left)
RIC 261 C

2) obv IMP CAES MANT GORDIANVS AVG
rev AEQVITAS AVG SC aequitas standing front holding scale and conrucopiae
RIC 267B

3) obv IMP CAES MANT GORDIANVS AVG
rev LIBERALITAS AVGVSTI II SC Liberalitas standing front holding abacus and cornucopiae
RIC 270B

4) obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev AEQVITAS AVG SC aequitas standing front holding scale and conrucopiae
RIC 286C

5) obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev LIBERALITAS AVG III SC Liberalitas standing front holding abacus and cornucopiae
RIC 290C

[leseullunique]

here are the 5 last dupondii of my collection

6) obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev IOVI STATORI
RIC 298 C

7) obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev LAETITIA AVG N
RIC 300 C

obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev P M TR P IIII COS II P P SC gordian standing right (realy bad quality coin)
RIC 306 C

9) obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev PAX AETERNA Pax holding branch advancing left
RIC 319 C

10) obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev MARS PROPVGNAT
RIC 332 unlisted, only As and Sertertius refered.

[larsporsenna]

im impessed.. only 10.... gordian lll dups!
my experience  is that they hardly ever appear for sale. and  i like  middle bronzes from the period.
great collection...
cinecias

[leseullunique]

Dear cinecias, I saied only because I have more than 1.200 coins of Gordian,

Only 6 denarius are missing in my collection, I have more than 30 asses, a lot of sesterces and antoninians  and even more colonial coins. 10 of 1200 is a realy small part so it's only

regards

[curtislclay]

Despite the worn condition, I particularly like the MARS PROPVGNAT coin, since dupondii in Gordian's final issue are so rare as to be almost unknown:

FELICIT TEMPOR, RIC 328c, apparently unique in Paris from the Valton Collection, published in Revue num. 1912.

SECVRIT PERPET, not in RIC, BM now has a specimen and a couple of others have also turned up, e.g. Lanz Graz IV, 1974, 663.

MARS PROPVGNAT is a new dupondius type for the issue. Presumably we can expect rare dupondii of the other types too, FORTVNA REDVX and VICTORIA AETER!

The same obverse die was used for this MARS PROPVGNAT coin and for SECVRIT PERPET, Lanz IV, 663.

TR P IIII Emperor advancing is also very rare as a dupondius. Bland knew such a coin only from the Vienna collection; Cohen 256 quotes it from the coin dealer Rollin. Not a valuable coin, so Cohen was justified to rate it "c"; he was estimating market prices. But how silly does RIC 306c look to call this very rare coin "C2"!

[leseullunique]

Dear Curtis, thanks for comment.

I also know a few others specimens of dupondii

1 of
obv IMP CAES MANT GORDIANVS AVG
rev SALVS AVG SC
RIC 261 C

1 of
obv IMP CAES MANT GORDIANVS AVG
rev LIBERALITAS AVG II SC
RIC 269c

2 of
obv IMP CAES MANT GORDIANVS AVG
rev LIBERALITAS AVGVSTI II SC
RIC 270b

1 of
obv IMP CAES MANT GORDIANVS AVG
rev ABUDANTIA AVG
RIC 274c

1 of
obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev LIBERALITAS AVG II SC
RIC 279c

1 of
obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev VIRTVS AVG SC
RIC 281b

1 of
obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev AEQVITAS AVG SC
RIC 286C

1 of
obv: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev CONCORDIA MILIT
RIC 288c

1 of
obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev LIBERALITAS AVG III SC
RIC 290c

1 of
obv: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev LAETITIA AVG N
RIC 300c

2 of
obv IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG
rev PAX AETERNA
RIC 319 C

so now I only know 25 dupondii in private collections and all seems to be rare to extremely rare, between 1 and 3 specimens, mostly 2...

[mauseus]

Hi,

Apologies for reviving an old topic but I have just picked op this example of RIC 300c. Sadly stripped of patina this is only my second Gordian dupondius (my first is posted earlier in the thread). Sorry for the background in the photograph, it's just a quick phone picture using my jeans as a background.

Regards,

Mauseus

[Tacitus]

Dear cinecias, I saied only because I have more than 1.200 coins of Gordian,

Only 6 denarius are missing in my collection, I have more than 30 asses, a lot of sesterces and antoninians  and even more colonial coins. 10 of 1200 is a realy small part so it's only

regards

Sorry if I missed this, but what coins are you missing specifically?