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« Reply #125 on: June 20, 2009, 05:38:59 am »

Another unlisted, now at auction on a major online site, AE17, 2.1g, Caracalla laur. hd. r. / Lion walking r. (although Isegrim does list this reverse type for Commodus etc., search-string RT: lion RT: animal standing r):
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« Reply #126 on: June 27, 2009, 07:16:13 am »


Isegrim is now working again, at a new website (http://isegrim.dasr.de/isegrim/anmelden.html); please continue to add new Nicaean types here (whether your coins or coins you have met with elsewhere) as per http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45586.0.
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« Reply #127 on: July 22, 2009, 03:31:47 pm »

With the sudden disabling of most coinarchives links it is clear that Nicaean Addenda should include the essentials of recent auction listings as well as new types Forum members themselves have acquired.  Thanks to acsearch.info, we're already able to post the essentials for several coins, often from the Righetti collection, here numbered for reference:

1) Septimius Severus / Zeus standing l., 26mm, 11.0g

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=157764

2, 3, 4) Septimius Severus / Tyche and Geta / Tyche (2 versions; cf. Julia Domna and Caracalla, RG 446.380 and 456.457), all ca. 15mm, 3g:

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=152526
http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=153067
http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=132134

5) Caracalla / Athena sacrificing l. over altar, 23mm, 6.28g:

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=283573
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« Reply #128 on: July 23, 2009, 10:34:46 am »

A type recently on E-bay. I was killed by a sniper 10sec before end of auctionCry

Bithynia, Nikaia, Severus Alexander, AD 222-235
AE 23, 5.51g
obv. M AYR CEVH - ALEZANDROC AVG
        Head, laureate, r.
rev. NIKA - EWN
       Pan-Ephialtes, with goat-skin, goat-horns and goat-feet, stg. l. with raised r. foot, holding branch in l. arm and unknown
       object in raised r. hand.
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Ephialtes, the deity of nightmares, a fellow of Pan, played a role in the founder mythology of Nikaia. He and Pan made the nymph Nikaia drunken so that Dionysos could seduce her. Usually he is depicted bent forwards, dragging a bag on the ground and holding a branch. Therefore I think on this coin we have Pan with some attributes of Ephialtes.

I'm interested to know more about the object in the r. hand.

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« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2009, 01:30:11 pm »

A type recently on E-bay. I was killed by a sniper 10sec before end of auctionCry


What exactly means "killing (a not living object) by a sniper in an online auction"?
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« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2009, 01:47:00 pm »

The sniper has shot his bet 10 sec before end of auction and so 'killed' my bet without a chance for me to answer.

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« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2009, 03:31:14 pm »

Compare RG 474.594.  As for what Pan is holding, along with a branch Pan appears to be holding his lagobolon, a hunter's stick used to hit hares on the run (to hit hares, I suspect, among other things); it's pretty clear on this other Nicaean Pan issue:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45586.msg299170#msg299170 --

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« Reply #132 on: July 26, 2009, 10:56:29 pm »

Barely gathered from acsearch.info:

Julia Domna / Infant Dionysos in liknon left, TON KTISTHN NIKAIEWN [To the Founder of the Nicaeans], liknon figure unique with this legend? (listing now struck from acsearch.info!)
 
[http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=84940]

 
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« Reply #133 on: July 27, 2009, 07:35:27 am »

Not in Isegrim (which does have Zeus seated, but lacking the eagle):

Septimius Severus / Zeus seated left with patera, eagle (?) before, 26mm, 9.36g

The question-mark here bears on whether the object at left is an eagle or three-headed Cerberus, with the peaks of the "wings" viewed instead as two schematic heads.  Cerberus would mark this seated figure as Hades-Serapis not Zeus; though the former is also unlisted for Septimius Severus it is listed for A. Pius and Macrinus * among others, but with more of a kalathos-headdress than we seem to have on this coin.

   *  RG 408.70 and 467.539 (Plates lxviii.4 and lxxxi.10), for which Isegrim unaccountably alters RG's Hades-Serapis to "Zeus Sarapis":

http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3015.html
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3183.html
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3074.html
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3196.html

For Commodus / Zeus seated with patera and eagle (RG 431.253 [Pl. lxxiii.17]) see

http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3038.html
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3188.html
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« Reply #134 on: July 27, 2009, 07:53:42 am »

An unusual issue in several ways:

Maximinus I / Unhelmeted and unturreted goddess with torch or scepter enthroned left with Nike, 26mm, 7.65g

Maximinus has Roma-Athena with Nike and turreted Tyche-Nikaia, but this coin seems to be a conflation of Athena Nikephoros and a quite different type, Demeter with corn-ears, RG 479.638 (Pl. lxxxiii.26):

http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3086.html
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3198.html
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« Reply #135 on: July 27, 2009, 12:26:42 pm »

This should be Zeus.  IF it were Serapis, we'd expect to see a kalathos.  THe critter looks more like an eagle to me.

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« Reply #136 on: July 27, 2009, 12:27:31 pm »

An unusual issue in several ways:

Maximinus I / Unhelmeted and unturreted goddess with torch or scepter enthroned left with Nike, 26mm, 7.65g

Maximinus has Roma-Athena with Nike and turreted Tyche-Nikaia, but this coin seems to be a conflation of Athena Nikephoros and a quite different type, Demeter with corn-ears, RG 479.638 (Pl. lxxxiii.26):

http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3086.html
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3198.html



I don't see any corn ears on this coin.  Can you please explain the Demeter attribution?

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« Reply #137 on: July 27, 2009, 01:07:20 pm »

Most Nicaean enthroned females are turreted or wearing a polos (Tyche) or else helmeted (Roma-Athena); one unquestioned exception is Homonoia, at least when she is labeled as such in a coin's actual legend.  Another figure with patera and scepter or staff has been called sometimes Hera, sometimes Homonoia; yet another (the Max. I example I cite) holds both wheat-ears and torch which together mark her as Demeter.  Though the figure on my coin holds neither wheat-ears nor a patera, the staff she holds looks more like a torch than a scepter to me, situating her a bit nearer to Demeter than to that other figure with patera; either way, she has borrowed a Nike in lieu of her more standard attribute. 
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« Reply #138 on: August 10, 2009, 11:18:34 am »

Septimius Severus hd. r. * / Athena standing l. with patera and lance, shield to l., 16mm, 2.60g: this reverse in small module not listed for anyone in Isegrim.

   * Same obverse as at http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45586.msg341861#msg341861 and http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=55412.msg344228#msg344228.
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« Reply #139 on: August 17, 2009, 01:35:38 pm »

Another candidate with a good chance to receive the attribute "unlisted":



Marcus Aurelius, 161-180 AD.,
Æ Diassarion (26-28 mm / 12,64 g),
Obv.: AY K M AYP - ANTΩNEINOC , laureate head of Marcus Aurelius right.
Rev.: NIKA - IEΩN , Asklepios leaning on staff right, the snake climbing it, its head free to left. (category "herniated vertebral disk disease"  Grin )
Waddington, Rec. Gén. 1/3, - ; Weiser - .

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« Reply #140 on: August 17, 2009, 01:36:55 pm »

That's a great reverse!
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« Reply #141 on: August 18, 2009, 09:29:44 pm »

RPC seems to have it (just one specimen, a bit larger, at 29mm), but Isegrim doesn't; I agree that's a noble Asklepios!

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6254/
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« Reply #142 on: August 18, 2009, 09:35:38 pm »


Just closed on XBax, AE15, 2.15g, Geta bare-headed r., P SEPTI GETAS KAI / Hermes stg. l. with petasus, purse, and caduceus, NIKAIEWN:
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« Reply #143 on: August 19, 2009, 11:48:02 am »

Elagabalus, AE22, 5.11g, Laureate head r., M AYR ANTWNINOS AYG / Reclining river-god facing l. with branch, NIKAIEWN SAGARIS

To make a long story short, this uncommon Nicaean reverse with the river Sagaris is attested in large modules starting with Julia Domna and in this midsize module starting with Julia's son Caracalla (RG457.463 [Pl. lxxix.7], M AYRH ANTWNINOS AYG, with one further example noted in Isegrim).  For this rare type, RG for once pictures the obverse as well as reverse; I believe that the RG coin may actually be a variant version of mine also featuring Elagabalus not his cousin. Both portraits bear careful comparison with the variant obverses employed for another uncommon Elagabalus reverse, an elephant walking right with mahout.

Though the second portrait looks a lot like a flattering conflation of Elagabalus' appearance with his cousin's, the first portrait's "froggy features" leave its own subject in little doubt. I think RG and CNG's cataloguers were right to assign the right-facing-mahout type to only Elagabalus, but there is a still rarer Caracalla (?) left-facing-mahout type that if used as a model for E.'s later issues may help to account for the greater-than-usual convergence between the two emperors' portraits on some mahout coins and the RG Sagaris example as well; for the Caracalla type see this earlier post in Nicaean Addenda:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45586.msg298606#msg298606
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« Reply #144 on: August 22, 2009, 03:14:18 pm »


My own specimen of Nicaean Addenda 127.5 (above), AE 25, 5.24g, from a different obverse die:
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« Reply #145 on: August 22, 2009, 06:12:17 pm »

I don't know if anyone has posted this type, but I haven't found any reference for it yet.
Severus Alexander  22mm 4.47g
OBV- [  ]  Greek_epsilon Greek_Xi Greek_Alpha Greek_Nu Greek_Delta Greek_Rho :Greek_Omicron:C  Greek_Kappa
  bare head cuirassed bust right
REV-  Greek_Nu Greek_Iota Greek_Kappa Greek_Alpha Greek_epsilon Greek_Omicron Greek_Nu
     Athena standing left holding patera and spear shield at feet (no alter)

There isn't anything listed for Severus Alexander for this type as caesar.  The only reference I've found is a CF Lindgren 188 which Is as augustus and the Athena is very different

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« Reply #146 on: August 22, 2009, 09:25:54 pm »


Thanks for posting; Isegrim does list one S. Alex. Kaisar, but laureate, without the same legend, and with altar alongside Athena (Lindgren 1.144).  So your coin-type's a new one for Isegrim.
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« Reply #147 on: August 23, 2009, 11:15:38 am »

How do these get added to Isegrim?

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« Reply #148 on: August 23, 2009, 12:58:21 pm »


I eventually pull them into Isegrim Extended *, where they can be word-searched; I don't think anyone has updated the Isegrim database proper since 2001.

   * http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=49390.0
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« Reply #149 on: August 28, 2009, 10:10:08 am »

The following reverse is unlisted in Isegrim for Septimius Severus or Julia Domna but is variously listed (as amphora and as vase) for the brothers Caracalla and Geta:

1) Septimius Severus, Nicaea, Bithynia, AE14, 1.59g, Laur. hd. r., SEOYHROS AYGOYS / Prize-vase or amphora with two palm-branches, NIKAIEWN
http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/septimius_severus/_nicaea_AE14_RecGen_489cf.jpg and .txt

2) Julia Domna, Nicaea, Bithynia, AE14, 1.7g, Draped bust r., [IOYLIA] SEBASTH / Prize-vase or amphora with two palm-branches, NIKAIEWN
http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/julia_domna/_nicaea_AE14_RecGen_396.jpg and .txt (wrongly there called RG 396, since that shows a prize-crown; for the prize-vase reverses actually listed in Isegrim see RG 460.489 [Pl. lxxix.29], Caracalla ["amphora"], and SNG Cop. 18.509, Geta ["vase"])
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3067.html
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3194.html

Especially with palms, these amphoras or vases are clearly prize-accessories; see this issue for the "Severeian Philadelphian Games" representing a prize-winner with both prize-crown and prize-vase or amphora (RG 443.360, pl. lxxvi.15):

http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3050.html
http://people.virginia.edu/~jdk3t/RG/RG1-3191.html

(Similar issue from Ancyra discussed at http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=28925.msg342973#msg342973)

The ambiguous "urn" confounds matters still worse by eliding distinctions between vases/amphoras and prize-crowns entirely:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=37721.0


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