Tetradrachm (16 litrae), Syracuse

[xintaris75]

Hi, i have a doubt about this coin

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It's fake

[Joe Sermarini]

Please post photos on the boards, not links to eBay auctions.  That link will be a broken link to nothing in 90 days.

[Will Hooton]

Here we go:

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Dont have a scooby about authenticity though.

[xintaris75]

Maybe, someone more can state your opinion? I dont know, where is defect, but a coin is slightly strange. Maybe, i'm make a mistake, and this coin is OK ? Please, help me 

[xintaris75]

Ok, i was recevied a opinion of independent expert, what coin is genuine 100%. My doubt was about a dots on the cheek and neck in obv. Hi think, what it's not a forgery's traces. 

[xintaris75]

So, it was  my first topic. A coin, about authenticity which i asked, was a high-end fake. I was researched my example carefully and was sure about unauthenticity. But i haven't evidences.
Now i have. Another copy of this high-quality cast fake just now for sale at very reliable diler in e-bay, a last bid is 780EUR. I payd for my lesson 1000EUR and want to attract attention of potential buyer for not repeat my mistake.
A photo of my coin was deleted, but i post it again.
Please take a look - first is my, second - from ebay.

[gibfrog]

Two more.  On your second example, see the host coin edge from about 5:00-8;00.

[xintaris75]

Well, a coin from e-bay was sold for 1209EUR (1535$).
Onemore time someone unhappy collector loss his money. Onemore time someone lucky fakemaster took a good profit...

[michelsantini]

Now I read his comments on the currency of 16 litrae and you also had confirmation that this is an original coin but then why is this comedy? and why after all the certainties of originality that were sent you continue to say that I have sold a counterfeit currency? c he certainly I have no doubt in saying that she is just a normal person, another for him to doubt would have returned the money back but I think that you are someone special, and wants to make smart when I proposed a discount of € 150 and keep the money, this dear friend is called extortion, and certainly is not legal
 

[xintaris75]

Now I read his comments on the currency of 16 litrae and you also had confirmation that this is an original coin but then why is this comedy? and why after all the certainties of originality that were sent you continue to say that I have sold a counterfeit currency? c he certainly I have no doubt in saying that she is just a normal person, another for him to doubt would have returned the money back but I think that you are someone special, and wants to make smart when I proposed a discount of € 150 and keep the money, this dear friend is called extortion, and certainly is not legal
 

Incoherent set of words. What to say something?

[xintaris75]

Another one fake from modified mold.
Now offered by major intl auction house

[driekus]

Are they obvious casting marks on the obverse?
To me it looks very fake, don't know how this would fool anybody.

[Pscipio]

@driekus: it's not that easy. Have you ever had a genuine example of this type in hand? Many of them have minor to heavy obverse die rust, and that, plus the usual light die shift, probably is what you mistake as "obvious casting marks".

I think if this is a fake, it is an excellent one and would fool a lot of people.

Lars

[driekus]

Sorry Pscipio, Im still learning how to spot fake coins. I didnt realise another explanation for the marks.

If I had seen a coin on ebay like this I would definitely not purchase it. If I had seen a coin like this from a reputable vendor I would be more likely to purchase it.

[Robert_Brenchley]

There's some excellent detail on that; you can see the engraver's marking-out circle clearly, for instance. If it is a cast, it's a very good one indeed, and very dangerous.

[xintaris75]

Cast is cast, guys, nothing else.
This one have same maskered casting spure like and another.
If someone will cut a coin in this part, a sprue will be viewed well.

[xintaris75]

Genuine one for comarision

[areich]

I see nothing where that arrow is pointing.

[Will Hooton]

I see nothing where that arrow is pointing.

I think I do. It's a sort of fault or fissure that is in the side of the cut, beneath the surface of the metal. Is that it?

[xintaris75]

Here

[SRukke]

Here

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[xintaris75]

Here

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I just showed where to look for casting funnel.
If you will buy this coin, look through a microscope at the specified location.

[areich]

But are we supposed to see something in the picture?

[xintaris75]

It is really difficult to explain what you must to see simply with photos. It is visible when the coin is in hands.
I can say that it looks like a sealed hole.

[Robert_Brenchley]

It might be, or it might not. Doubtless you could tell under a microscope, but I'm not sure it's possible to be sure from the pic.