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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2010, 07:14:18 am »

"quousque tandem abutere Sadigh pecunia nostra"

Ha ha! Very nicely done! Touché!

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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2010, 07:44:59 am »

Benito!

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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2010, 08:36:42 am »

I love the Sadigh catalogue!  Brazen puffery at its best!  For example, page 40 in the latest rag, under the Egyptian category:
 
<MATHMATICAL TOOLS> Wooden frame with thirteen lines by two rows of wooden pieces used for mathmatics.  Very unique and one of a kind.  1920's.  $800

Its a flippin abacus!!!  Looks identical to the one my grandfather gave me in the 1970's! 
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2010, 04:26:12 pm »

I just bought an 100 year old abacus at a flea market in Japan for $10. Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2010, 02:49:19 pm »

I'd have thought Sadigh would have been bubbling in the vat, not wielding a pitchfork! Dante would have know what to do with him.
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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2012, 09:57:53 am »

I've purchased several items from Sadigh Gallery over the last 20 years and even visited the gallery while on a trip to NYC. I recently had my artifacts appraised and they were authentic and most had held the value of what I paid for them as well as a few being higher.

Reading the messages in this forum makes me wonder if it's his competitors that are posting these messages as I've found him to be professional even when I wanted to return items that I didn't like.

Another thing to note is that the pictures really don't look real in the catalog. When you hold the items in person and see them crumbling from age, you will not doubt the authenticity.

As a long-term customer, I think the Gallery is being judged here by people who have never visited the gallery and are acting as bullies.
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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2012, 10:24:51 am »

I've purchased several items from Sadigh Gallery over the last 20 years and even visited the gallery while on a trip to NYC. I recently had my artifacts appraised and they were authentic and most had held the value of what I paid for them as well as a few being higher.

Reading the messages in this forum makes me wonder if it's his competitors that are posting these messages as I've found him to be professional even when I wanted to return items that I didn't like.

Another thing to note is that the pictures really don't look real in the catalog. When you hold the items in person and see them crumbling from age, you will not doubt the authenticity.

As a long-term customer, I think the Gallery is being judged here by people who have never visited the gallery and are acting as bullies.

He's pretty much the most notorious fake dealer ever.  Who authenticated them?

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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2012, 10:26:58 am »

I've purchased several items from Sadigh Gallery over the last 20 years and even visited the gallery while on a trip to NYC. I recently had my artifacts appraised and they were authentic and most had held the value of what I paid for them as well as a few being higher.

Reading the messages in this forum makes me wonder if it's his competitors that are posting these messages as I've found him to be professional even when I wanted to return items that I didn't like.

Another thing to note is that the pictures really don't look real in the catalog. When you hold the items in person and see them crumbling from age, you will not doubt the authenticity.

As a long-term customer, I think the Gallery is being judged here by people who have never visited the gallery and are acting as bullies.

I'd ask for specifics, but known fakes have been shown from his site, along with authentic coins being sold for 100 of times more  then normal market value.
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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2012, 10:45:53 am »

I've purchased several items from Sadigh Gallery over the last 20 years and even visited the gallery while on a trip to NYC. I recently had my artifacts appraised and they were authentic and most had held the value of what I paid for them as well as a few being higher.

Reading the messages in this forum makes me wonder if it's his competitors that are posting these messages as I've found him to be professional even when I wanted to return items that I didn't like.

Another thing to note is that the pictures really don't look real in the catalog. When you hold the items in person and see them crumbling from age, you will not doubt the authenticity.

As a long-term customer, I think the Gallery is being judged here by people who have never visited the gallery and are acting as bullies.

You are right. I highly recommend Sadigh Gallery. Following your advice I have ordered:
A panel     http://www.sadighgallery.com/Panels_p_37457.html
A pendant   http://www.sadighgallery.com/Pendants_p_34737.html
A manneken pis   http://www.sadighgallery.com/Statues_p_38077.html
A wingless victory of Samothrace.  http://www.sadighgallery.com/Statues_p_37269.html
Well, not one ,quite a few for a miserly 134.700 USD.
http://www.sadighgallery.com/view_cart.asp
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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2012, 11:06:25 am »


C'mon now he has some real bargains.

He has a spectacular Demetrios Policetes tetradrachm which I know in that condition normal go for several times more than the $800 he wants.

I always wanted one but I don't feel I can take advantage of his pricing mistake..it just wouldn't feel right when i'd touch it and look at it..there again the feeling could be just due to something else....maybe doubt, and being done over.

The only art in his gallery seems to be the art of getting away with it.
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« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2012, 11:07:47 am »

You are right. I highly recomend Sadigh Gallery. Following your advice I have ordered:
A panel     http://www.sadighgallery.com/Panels_p_37457.html
A pendant   http://www.sadighgallery.com/Pendants_p_34737.html
A manneken pis   http://www.sadighgallery.com/Statues_p_38077.html
A victory of Samothrace.
Well, not one ,quite a few for a miserly 134.700 USD.

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The "panel" is incredible. I can hardly think of anything that looks less ancient.

As with many such dealers the expensive fakes may be salted among cheaper genuine stuff. More or less the same as hiding the Didius Julianus among the Constantines. So when an LRB collector says "I bought some Constantines and they seem authentic" that helps in no way to authenticate the Didius Julianus. Of course anyone is free to purchase from an antiquity dealer and then imagine/believe the items to be genuine. I would not like to intrude on areas of personal belief. I'm after all a priest of the cult of Mithras so am hardly in a place to comment on the strange beliefs of others.

Seriously though, the rules of the scientific method apply to sellers of fake goods - negative results (apparent fakery) over-ride any number of uncertain results (possibly ok purchases). It is not very relevant that some people have bought apparently genuine items. That's the "I bought some LRBs" defense. It is that others have been sold fakes, and because of this pattern, the next person may be sold a fake. Perhaps Chris buys in areas that he is an expert in, or that Sadigh has not learnt to fake yet, or that other authenticators are not expert in, but that doesn't change the message shared by many people over years.
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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2012, 12:05:27 pm »

As I was gazing into the eyes of this, um, "ancient masterpiece" I was oddly compelled to buy something....  Shocked

Look deeply into my eyes:



http://www.sadighgallery.com/Heads_p_38395.html
http://www.sadighgallery.com/Heads_p_38394.html
http://www.sadighgallery.com/Heads_p_38393.html
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« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2012, 12:27:19 pm »

Scary....!
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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2012, 12:48:38 pm »

I always request catalogs and he mails out a large full color monthly catalog that must cost him a fortune for printing and mailing.

My garbage can is conveniently placed between my house and my mailbox.

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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2012, 04:36:28 pm »

3 almost identical marble heads of EXACTLY the same size? What a fantastic archeological discovery in of itself! Surely the Sadigh Gallery would do the reasonable thing here and donate such a find to a museum for study and public display rather than try to turn a simple profit on it?  Grin

Ahem... seriously though. I never knew about this "gallery" before but some of this stuff is laughable...

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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2012, 09:06:08 pm »


http://www.sadighgallery.com/Statues_p_37269.html

Samothrace's Victory looks like it was picked from a garden statue supplier. Venus de Milo types run at about $400 as against the $15000 Sadigh proposes:
http://www.gardenstatueshop.co.uk/classical-stone-sculpture-c4198
http://www.gardenstatueshop.co.uk/venus-de-milo-stone-(special-offer)-p5778

not bad eh? I don't know what Chris has been buying but just hope it was the genuine "LRBs" among the salted Didius Julianus fakes. The pictures Sadigh shows - such as those three $1000 heads made by the same Chinese factory - are an overwhelming indictment of rampant fakery.

It is felicitous that in Chris' first and only posting on Forvm he stumbled across a thread whose last post was in September 2010. In any event we are all grateful that you've prompted a great deal of amusement and at the same time given many of us a chance to strongly warn off any newcomers who haven't heard the message about Sadigh. We are grateful to you raising the subject again. Thanks!! Thanks also for letting us know that the genuine Sadigh statues are more crumbly with age than in the catalogue. Crumbliness is a great sign of authenticity!!
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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2012, 11:19:19 pm »

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« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2012, 01:32:40 am »

Also his Russian Orthodox Icons are obvious fakes . He has one of Matrona Dmitrievna Nikonova born 1881 died 1952 - the icon was painted in 1800 according to the description
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« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2012, 07:51:24 am »

I was looking at the Roman pages and I can say that ALL the busts, mosaics, and coins are fake. In fact, I'd say that the busts are all done by the same person (maybe two). The consistency of them all is really quite shocking. You'd think it would set off some alarm bells even of people who know nothing about this stuff.

We could all have some fun posting the most outrageously fake examples we can find. Sort of a Forum 'Where's Waldo?'.

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« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2012, 08:03:23 am »

I'm curious as to the logical mind of those contributors such as hamry and chrisjones who from time to time post a laudatory message about sadigh and then vanish without trace. Do they realise that their kind and well-intentioned praise serves to promote a heap of renewed exposees and vilification on the sales venue which no doubt paid them to throw some praise around? Actually I suspect they neither know nor care. To collect their bounty they probably have merely to demonstrate that they are scattering praise all around the internet. Some of it of course lands in the wrong place - among people who know what they are talking about.
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« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2012, 09:01:22 am »

And don't forget that you can buy MULTIPLES of each and every item Sadigh Gallery offers on their website!

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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2012, 09:42:49 am »

I'm curious as to the logical mind of those contributors such as hamry and chrisjones who from time to time post a laudatory message about sadigh and then vanish without trace. Do they realise that their kind and well-intentioned praise serves to promote a heap of renewed exposees and vilification on the sales venue which no doubt paid them to throw some praise around? Actually I suspect they neither know nor care. To collect their bounty they probably have merely to demonstrate that they are scattering praise all around the internet. Some of it of course lands in the wrong place - among people who know what they are talking about.

Do hampry (possibly Sadigh himself) a favor. Vote and/or comment
http://www.freepressbox.com/news-sadigh-gallery-offers-ancient-artifacts-with-wholesale-prices-7725.html#comments
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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2012, 11:44:19 am »

If ever a book is written entitled “How NOT to Tool a Coin,” this might serve as a great cover illustration:

http://www.sadighgallery.com/Coins_p_39974.html

Subtle it ain’t.

At least Phraates (?) seems very happy…what a beautiful smile!
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« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2012, 01:49:56 pm »

If ever a book is written entitled “How NOT to Tool a Coin,” this might serve as a great cover illustration:

http://www.sadighgallery.com/Coins_p_39974.html

Subtle it ain’t.

At least Phraates (?) seems very happy…what a beautiful smile!


Looks more like The Joker to me. Wink

Stumbled across these gems as well... listed as a lot of Constantine the Great.

http://www.sadighgallery.com/Coins_p_26755.html

Problem #1: The "Patina", centering, and bare bronze areas are all identical. I wonder what the mintmarks say. Wink

Problem #2: They're not all Constantines anyways. ATTRIBUTION FAIL  Grin



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« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2012, 02:29:07 pm »

I wonder what the mintmarks say. Wink

Clearly SMTR. S(adigh) M(ade)T(his) R(ubbish)  Grin
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