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Offline snorkelpaleis

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17th century coin from austria?
« on: January 15, 2008, 02:05:02 pm »
This coin just arrived in the mail, but I have no clue what it is.

Obv: PONTE SVB HOC SOLI SVBICIT ABDITA LVNA 1686
Rev: CAROLO II D G REGE ARMIS AVSTRIACIS IVRCA SVBACTVS

is this coin from austria? I've ran through my krause 1600-1700 book, but couldn't find it.

 
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Offline j.berta

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Re: 17th century coin from austria?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 02:54:38 pm »
This is not a coin but a jeton or a medal.

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Re: 17th century coin from austria?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 03:38:58 pm »
Hi

It looks like a commemorative medalet for the defeat of the Turks by the Austrians at Budapest (July 8 1686) and the annexation of Hungary by Austria.

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Re: 17th century coin from austria?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 04:39:20 pm »
I think Alan's suggestion is right. And I think it should read TVRCA SVBACTA instead IVRCA SVBACTA. The I is a truncated T.

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Re: 17th century coin from austria?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 04:51:47 pm »
Thanks for the replies. I had no clue.

Is it a rare medalet or a common one? (it is always nice to know, but I think it's a nice medalet even if it is common)

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michael
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Re: 17th century coin from austria?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 05:44:26 pm »
Attempted translation, reading TVRCA:

Under this bridge the hidden moon surrendered to the sun. 1686

The Turk yielded to Austrian arms while Charles II was king by the grace of God.

Under what bridge? 

The moon must equal the crescent, the Turkish enemy, but why hidden? 

Does the sun mean Charles II, Austria, or the West generally? 

Why name Charles II, Hapsburg king of Spain, 1665-1705, rather than Leopold VI, Archduke of Austria, 1665-1705?
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Re: 17th century coin from austria?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 02:55:04 pm »
Charles II was physically and mentally disabled, so his mother Maria Anna from Austria became regentes (1655-1678, and 1679-1696). She was queen of spain and archduchess of Austria. I guess that's a reason why carolo is mentioned on this medalet.
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Re: 17th century coin from austria?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 03:10:39 pm »
Maybe "hidden moon" just means "partially covered moon, crescent moon", i.e. the Turks.
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Re: 17th century coin from austria?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 03:20:49 pm »
A half moon is also shown on the turkish flag. Haven't thought about it the way you do curtis, but now you mentioned it. I think it is a metafor too, it is probably a metafor for the turks or turkish land.
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