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Offline Heliodromus

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Antioch provincials - Delta + Epsilon
« on: March 19, 2007, 10:03:45 am »
I've noticed, that a number of Antioch provincial types seem to consistently seem to have the letters Delta & Epsilon in the reverse field, and wonder if anyone could explain the meaning?

There's a couple of types on Coin Archives here:

http://www.coinarchives.com/a/results.php?results=1000&search=philip+AND+antioch+AND+tyche

I'm wondering if this may be related to the later use of D+E in place of Theta as an officina designator (usually explained as being due to superstition - theta being associated with thanatos = death), which only occured at Antioch.

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Re: Antioch provincials - Delta + Epsilon
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 10:47:29 am »
Citing Pat, I think: D E would be for Demosia Exousia, Greek (even today) for Public (hence Tribunician) Power.

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Re: Antioch provincials - Delta + Epsilon
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 11:36:12 am »
Thanks, Lars!

Do you happen to know if any other mints also used this, of if there's any particular reason it might have been used at Antioch?

Ben

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Re: Antioch provincials - Delta + Epsilon
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 12:01:38 pm »
Yes,  :Greek_Delta: E was also used on some coins minted at Laodicea ad Mare.

There is a really good explanation, or more accurately exploration, regarding the potential meaning of  :Greek_Delta: E in Butcher's Coinage of Roman Syria. See pages 233-235.

To summarize, Butcher argues (sorry Lars!) that  :Greek_Delta: E probably does not represent tribunician power :Greek_Delta: ( :Greek_Delta: H M A P X I K H  :GreeK_Sigma: ) E ( xi O Y :GreeK_Sigma: I A  :GreeK_Sigma: ) because at Antioch  :Greek_Delta: E also appears on coins that that do not display the image of the emperor (who held the TR P power), but also on tetradrachms of Otacilia Severa and Herennia Etruscilla. He notes that the first appearance of  :Greek_Delta: E is on Antiochene civic coins portraying a bust of Tyche or a portrait of Lucilla. Clearly, these women did not hold tribunician power. Furthermore, the letters also do not appear on SC bronzes of Commodus, who did hold it.

Butcher proposes that  :Greek_Delta: E means  :Greek_Delta: E ( :Greek_Pi: A P X E I  :Greek_Omega: N) or "of the four eparchies" and is related to the imperial cult at Antioch (and later at Laodicea). His argument is interesting, but deeply involved.

I would be happy to email people a scan of the three pages involved in his discussion, though I won't be able to until tonight. Please send me your email via a PM and I'll send the pages later today.

Mark

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Re: Antioch provincials - Delta + Epsilon
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 12:52:29 pm »
This seems like niggling, but  :Greek_Delta: E in the field seems to me (and also I take Butcher's point) not part of the titles held by the emperor represented.  Also, even if space was short, they'd try to get at least  :Greek_Delta:  E xi (there's no xi up there to click on!).  If I saw  :Greek_Delta: E along with Y :Greek_Pi: , with or without a letter-numeral, in the circumferential legend, then, yes, I'd read it for TR POT--but not in the field.  Anyway, Butcher may be dull reading, but it's his field and he really knows it, so I'd yield to him, in any case.  Pat L.

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Re: Antioch provincials - Delta + Epsilon
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 02:58:05 pm »
Thanks, Mark - I've just PM'd you!

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Re: Antioch provincials - Delta + Epsilon
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 04:11:06 pm »
Got it, Ben. Later tonight.

Pat -- I don't want people to think that Kevin Butcher is a poor writer -- I actually like how he writes. It's pleasant. He just takes a conscious effort to explore both sides of a proposed meaning. Just for the record, grin.

Mark

 

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