Another piece of the Stobi puzzle

[Douglas]

Nice coin Arminius. Almost looks like there is a figure in Nike's wing in that one.

Doug

[Arminius]

Again, another one from the big Caracalla issue:

Stobi in Macedonia, Caracalla, 198-217 AD.,
2 Assaria / Æ22 (21-22 mm / 4,65 g),
Obv.: [M A]VREL - ANTONIN [- ...?] , laureate bust of the bearded Caracalla right.
Rev.: MVNICIP - STOBEN[SIV?] , Nike advancing right with wreath and palm.
Josif. V99?.
a lightweight specimen

[arizonarobin]

I just added these two to my collection:

[Arminius]

And i added this severely looking Dom(i)na(trix):

Stobi in Macedonia, Julia Domna, 193-217 AD.,
4 Assaria / Æ26 (25-26 mm / 11,91 g),
Obv.: IVLIA - AVGVSTA (legend starting right), draped bust of Julia Domna right.
Rev.: MVNI - STOBE , Nike standing left with wreath and palm, wheel at her feet.
Josif. ?

Regards

[whitetd49]

Another one for the Stobi-puzzle:

Stobi in Macedonia, Caracalla, 198-217 AD.,
Diassarion / Æ23 (23-24 mm / 6.77 g),
Obv.: AG M AVR - ANTONINVS , radiate bust of Caracalla right.
Rev.: MVNICI - STOBEN , Serapis standing left, wearing polos (looking like a wicker basket), raising right hand and holding a snake in left.
cf. AMNG III, 113, 13 (rev. pl. XXI.31).

Maybe a new obverse die (if the AMNG obverse legend is correct - but i don´t  know the Josifovski specimens).

Tom (whitetd49) about his Julia Domna specimen 'JulDomStobi2.JPG': "The reverse type (same die) is known from one specimen of Caracalla, AMNG 13 pl. XXI.31. Two more examples of a Caracalla specimen (same dies), Josifovski 292 - 293, are in the National Bank of the Republic of Macedonia."

Regards

I wrote:  Oh very nice!  I do not recall the Caracalla obverse to be radiate.  Radiate busts are rare, it is very likely a new die pair and obverse die.  I will return in about two weeks and will check my references then. 
 
Forgive me, this will be a bit complicated.  Josif 292 (V14, R15) and 293 (V15, R15) are the coins mentioned above.  Josif 292 is described as having a radiate bust but it is not apparent in the photo.  Josif 293 is radiate but is not a die match to this new specimen of Arminius.  So yes, a new die pair and obverse die.

Here is my JD specimen with the shared reverse die:

[whitetd49]

Here is my newest Julia Domna from Stobi.  I had a question about it, and being that all the experts are here 

On the reverse the figure of Nike is advancing left with a trophy- no wreath, I have not seen this before?
Also is it unusual to have the STOBE on the Left?

Robin, do NOT lose this coin!  Josifovski lists two coins with this reverse type for Domna, 245 and 246.  They share the same obverse die as yours (V38).  Your specimen is much better than either.  The reverses are too poor to distinguish - Josif assigns them R94 and R95.  With your coin to compare, I believe all 3 are identical.

[whitetd49]

I just added these two to my collection:

The first one is:
One of MANY with these exact legends, cannot sort these out yet.

Second one is:
IVLIA [pellet] AVGVSTA
Bust draped, right
MVNICI STO/BEN
Nike/Nemesis advancing left, holding wreath and palm, wheel at her feet
Cohen IV 264-265, BMCG 7, SNG Cop 333, Lingren 1146
Dies apparently unlisted.
Here is my example:

[whitetd49]

Again, another one from the big Caracalla issue:

Stobi in Macedonia, Caracalla, 198-217 AD.,
2 Assaria / Æ22 (21-22 mm / 4,65 g),
Obv.: [M A]VREL - ANTONIN [- ...?] , laureate bust of the bearded Caracalla right.
Rev.: MVNICIP - STOBEN[SIV?] , Nike advancing right with wreath and palm.
Josif. V99?.
a lightweight specimen

This is Josif 351 (V63, R69), 23 mm, 5.36 g.  This may be from a different emission.  This obverse die is known with only 3 reverses, all Nike advancing right (R72 and R98).

[whitetd49]

And i added this severely looking Dom(i)na(trix):

Stobi in Macedonia, Julia Domna, 193-217 AD.,
4 Assaria / Æ26 (25-26 mm / 11,91 g),
Obv.: IVLIA - AVGVSTA (legend starting right), draped bust of Julia Domna right.
Rev.: MVNI - STOBE , Nike standing left with wreath and palm, wheel at her feet.
Josif. ?

Regards

Unlisted dies apparently.  These large module, 4 assaria pieces are rare, worn, and often difficult to identify.

[whitetd49]

Lots of new puzzle pieces - a new radiate portrait:

[whitetd49]

An unusual portrait of Septimius and new die pair, V24, R unlisted:

[whitetd49]

And a new unlisted Nike advancing with shield reverse for Julia Domna.  Thanks Curtis!

[arizonarobin]

Gratz to you - all three are very nice!

Robin, do NOT lose this coin!

  Don't Jinx me I am moving in two days and in the process of packing and transporting everything to my new office! (Which I am so excited to have because it has its very own sink! Yes an office with a sink and counterspace- let the experiments commence!)

[whitetd49]

Two more...
In another thread, I remarked on the occurence of "moon crescent" field marks that are sometimes seen on Nike advancing reverses of Stobi and Thessalonika.  At Stobi, such reverses are known for Marcus Aurelius, Julia Domna, and Caracalla.  I suppose that it should not be surprising to now include Septimius Severus...

[whitetd49]

Another unlisted set of dies - This coin is a remarkable AE29, largest that I have seen.  Also noteworthy is the very young, beardless portrait of Caracalla as Augustus.  No coins of Stobi depict Caracalla as Caesar.

[whitetd49]

The onslaught of Stobi dies continues...

This is at least the fourth reverse die of Julia Domna with this exact reverse type and legend.  There are at least 12 of these dies (all different) for Caracalla - the obverse of which are always draped and cuirassed.  Beware of these when identifying dies.

[whitetd49]

Just one of the Caracalla examples for comparison....
Note two for Julia Domna earlier in the thread.

[whitetd49]

Josifovski has problems.  This coin is a new die pair, V58 of Josif 479, R165 of Josif 478.   The second coin is Josifovski 344, same dies (V58, R63).   These are not the same obverse dies.  In J.'s defense, these large module coins are often quite worn and have identical legends.

[whitetd49]

second coin...

[archivum]

I don't have Josifovski, but this one seems out of the ordinary, Caracalla (your V7?) and a variant of a reverse die you post only for Julia:
"Josifovski describes this reverse as Nike standing facing, head right, holding torch with entwined snake and cornucopia, lotus flower on head; a very syncretic Nike-Demeter-Tyche-Ma-Isis. Unlisted die pair, the reverse is R99 of Josif. 250, the obverse is V33. Cohen IV 271, BMCG 9, AMNG Gaebler 9"

[whitetd49]

It is great to see these.  First, the Isis variant of this reverse with the lotus flower is not known for Caracalla.  There are 3 known reverse dies (R162-164) that replace the lotus flower with a radiate crown, thus only Nike-Demeter-Tyche-Ma.  Dies R162 and R163 have the same legend as your specimen, MVNICI STOBEN.  These are rare, Josif's single examples are in poor condition so I cannot confirm whether either is a die match.  Secondly, these coins occur with two known obverse dies, V8 and V52.  There are examples in my Gallery but they are not die matches.  You have at least a new die pair.  I have not yet found a match for your obverse die.

I'm attaching a specimen with obverse V8 for comparison.

[archivum]

My coin does look a bit like a weatherbeaten twin of another coin you posted elsewhere:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=33679.msg215029#msg215029

[whitetd49]

My coin does look a bit like a weatherbeaten twin of another coin you posted elsewhere:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=33679.msg215029#msg215029

Here it is.  I don't think that the obverse die is V8.

[archivum]

Yes, the obverse with the syncretized Nikes is definitely different from V8; the C under the shoulder has a much more central position.  Given my coin's weatherbeaten condition it is harder to say whether its reverse really differs decisively from Malter's.

[whitetd49]

This coin is interesting for it's unlisted obverse die and legend.  It could be read - M AVRE PIVS ANTONINVS but that would be unique for Stobi or Imperial issues.  PIVS always appears after ANTONINVS.  Alternately, it may be read M AVRELIVS ANTONINVS.  This would be unique at Stobi but found on a few Imperial issues after 196 AD when he was raised to Caesar.  Here, Caracalla is Augustus so it must be after 198 AD.  There is evidence that coin production at Stobi under Septimius started about 199 - 202 AD.  This may be one of the earlier issues of the AE23 (diassaria) modules for Caracalla.  The portrait shows little to no beard.