Another piece of the Stobi puzzle

[whitetd49]

hi,
i have 1 stobi caracalla coin and i cant find she somewhere.
AV: M AVRE ANTONINV
RV: MVNIC STOB

22 mm und 6,82 gramm

i hope somebody here know more then me.

Nice example, better than mine or the one illustrated by Josifovski.  It confirms the reverse legend also.

M AVRE ANTONINV
Bust laureate, right
MVNIC STOB
Nike advancing right with wreath and palm
Josifovski 358, same dies (V26, R76) citing private collection

[whitetd49]

Upon further review, I'm tentatively placing V26 in the V99, V84, V30 emission.

[nagelrochen]

@Arminius
@ whitetd49

many thx for the help.

 

[Arminius]

Trajan, 98-117 AD.,
Dupondius / Diassarion / Æ22 (22-23 mm / 8,57 g),
Obv.: [IMP CAES] NERVA TRAIAN - AVG GERM [P M T P COS III ] , laureate head of Trajan r.
Rev.: [MVNI CI]PI STOB - EN-SIV[M] , tetrastyle temple with statue of Zeus, standing frontal, head right, leaning with his left on scepter, eagle at his feet left, a clipeus (round shield) in the pediment of the temple.
BMC 3 ; SNG Cop. - ; Moushmov 6533 .

 

[slokind]

Oh, my!  Is that exceptional, or what?  Great Zeus in temple.  Pat L.

[whitetd49]

After an absence, I am back with new Stobi specimens.  I thought that this specimen was worth sharing:
AE 24
IVLIA A/GVSTA
Bust draped, right
STOBE MVNIC
Nike advancing right with trophy?

Obverse die is V24. With the absence of a palm branch, this must be a trophy reverse type.  Unfortunately, the end of the pole is off the flan.  I cannot tell whether it bears a cuirass or helmet.  Has anyone seen this reverse die before?

Edit- upon closer examination, there is evidence of a palm branch.  The "staff" of the trophy is only a flaw.  Oh well.

[arizonarobin]

I have added 3 recently:
Julia Domna- I believe the first might be a obverse die match to your Serapis Tom?
Caracalla- a Tetrassaria
and of course the Caracalla with Nike/spread wings

[arizonarobin]

I put the last three up in my gallery a Josif 342 and 452 (with V104 bungled obverse legend)
Also this one 

Marcus Aurelius

_____A-NTONINVS
Radiate head right

MVN-STO
Tyche? standing right with patera and long scepter
Ae26mm; 12.03g

[ecoli]

Hi,

A while ago, on a rather poor picture of this rather poor coin, whitetd49 commented:

I think I see MVNICI STOB on the reverse, this die is unlisted, unique!

This is a better(?) picture of the same coin, can you help me to see if it is really unlisted?

Thanks

ecoli

[mautza]

Hi all,
We currently have a Julia Domna listed in our catalog that might help in dies analysis:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=29521q00.jpg&vpar=431&zpg=28430&fld=https://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins2/

29521. Bronze AE 22, SNG Cop 333, gVF, 6.780g, 24.2mm, 0o, Stobi mint, obverse IVLIA •A-VGVSTA, draped bust right; reverse MVNICIPI STOBEN, Victory advancing left, palm extended in right, palm frond over shoulder in left; beautiful green patina; $175.00

Make sure to check also our previously sold coins from STOBI.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?srch=2&pos=1&attribution=&grade=&what=stobi&B1=Search&category=&metal=&denomination=&pricel=&priceh=&obvinsc=&obvdesc=&revinsc=&revdesc=&status=sold&B1=Search

Take care,

Cosmin

[arizonarobin]

Hi,

A while ago, on a rather poor picture of this rather poor coin, whitetd49 commented:

I think I see MVNICI STOB on the reverse, this die is unlisted, unique!

This is a better(?) picture of the same coin, can you help me to see if it is really unlisted?

Thanks

ecoli

HI Ecoli- I think we will have to wait for Tom to Chime in on this one. It is not a die I could find. I do see the MVNICI STOB.

_____________________
Also I have this one I thought would be an interesting addtion to this thread - I took a fast picture because I am flying out this afternoon to Missouri. When I get back I will try for a better picture.

Obverse: Laureate head right /IMP C M AVR ANTONINVS

Reverse: Statue of Poseidon(?) standing l. on cippus, leg raised, holding long scepter, between figures of Axius and Erigon rivers, each reclining on urn w/ flowing water; reeds beneath/STOBENVM MVNICIP

[whitetd49]

Robin, what a great find!  That is only the second specimen and better than the first.  The other can be viewed on this thread from 3.5 years ago (same dies):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=26450.0

[whitetd49]

Here is a nice new unlisted die.  The reverse type is Zeus enthroned, holding Nike and a staff.  This die, STOB/EN M/VNICI, is very similar to R9 of Josifovski 528 (V8, R9).  This obverse die is also V8.  This obverse die is now known to be paired with 18 reverse dies!

[archivum]

An uncommon Domitian AE24 (Varbanov [E] 3810, R7 E300), one specimen cited (an old CNG e-sale, from WildWinds), with same obverse die but a different die for the reverse:

http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/domitian/RPC_0310cf.txt
http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/domitian/RPC_0310cf.jpg

[whitetd49]

Long ago, I started a thread on Stobi issues with field marks.  Josifovski cites BMCG 6 and notes a reported star in the right field but no illustration is provided.  The obverse of this specimen is V16, the reverse is not in Josifovski or Varbanov.  This may be the elusive BM coin!

The field mark is not an obvious star.  There is a central dot with 6 symmetrical rays.

[whitetd49]

Found a nice example of V18.  The reverse is another unknown die.

IMP L SEP SEVERVS
Bust laureate, draped, cuirassed, right, seen from behind
MVNICI STOBE
Nike advancing left.

[whitetd49]

Josifovski 167 (V24, R24) has a Nike advancing left reverse and an incomplete legend, S[ ] [MVNI]. A third specimen has turned up with the obverse die, V24.  This specimen's reverse die is also incomplete, [ ] MVNI, Nike advancing right.  The other specimen is also Nike advancing right with the legend, STOBE MVNI. 

If anyone recognizes a specimen with V24 (GVSTA IVLIA AV), I would very much appreciate to know whether the reverse legend is intact.

 

[jacobsthlm]

I don't know if anyone will se this as it's a while since the last post but I got a coin to show in this subject. My knowledge is very limited and I can't add anything you don't know already...

Regards
Jacob

[whitetd49]

I think I can help but can you confirm the obverse legend?

Is it  M AVREL ANTONI/NV  or  M AVREL ANTONI/NVS

[jacobsthlm]

As I said I don't know anything about these coins. The information I got is from another forum and someone telling me this. I can only copy his info for you to read and hope that it answers your question. I have no idea what you are talking about with NV or NVS...

" It is a Roman provincial coin, which is a coin produced under the reign of a Roman emperor but in the Greek speaking Roman empire. In this case the coin comes from Stobi in Macedonia. The emperor in question is Caracalla with the obverse legend being M AVRE ANTONI. The reverse legend is MVNICIP STOBENS and what you see as is Nike advancing right with wreath and palm."

If it's not to complicated please explain!

Regards
Jacob

[gordian_guy]

It looks to by I/NVS, if what I see below the bust just before the M is the lower part of an S.

c.rhodes

[jacobsthlm]

Yes, it has to be the NVS. I can se that it's 3 letters and the last looks like the bottom of an "S".

What does this mean? Even the words "obverse legend" doesn't say me anything. I guess I should read a little before I try to be part of a discussion about the "Stobi puzzle" when I don't even know what puzzle we are talking about. When I got the info about the coin I did a seach on google and foumd this forum as a direct link to that text and then thought that if I add my picture maybe I help someone in some way... *smiles*

Jacob

[gordian_guy]

Well, it does say M Aurel Antoninus - Marcus Aurelius Antoninus - it is the Emperor's name - different dies have I/NV where / means a spacing between the I and the next letter N, or NVS. What Whitetd49 is looking for is a clarification of the Obverse inscription to determine which die it might be.

c.rhodes

[jacobsthlm]

Well thanks for the information. I'm not sure what the puzzle is about but maybe it's complicated to explain it. Is NV or/and NVS usual or rare and are they worth money in any way? I'm not in for making deals but just curious about value. My coin don't have any patina as other coins do. Does that mean that they have less or no value? I know that you should'nt polish them but sometimes I se coins that are clear from any dirt and still they cost a lot of money...

Maybe these question should be posted in another topic but as it's related to my "Stobi puzzle" coin I ask this now. Please tell me so and I will start a new topic...

Regards
Jacob

[gordian_guy]

Jacob,

If you are looking for information about the value of your coin than this is certainly not the thread to ask for that information. I do not study the coinage of Stobi so the relative rarity of the two dies is something about which I am ignorant. I will say that the rarity of one die over the other may or may not influence the value of the coin. Rarity is not always an indication of worth. If you are curious about coins minted at Stobi and the dies and varieties and combinations of dies, then this is the right place to be. I am sure when he has time to reply Whitetd49 will provide you with all sorts of interesting information about the dies from which this coins was struck.

c.rhodes