Help Commodus Sestertius ?

[Tanit]

Hi
Here is a big sestertius (D=35 mm) or maybe a medallion of Commodus.
Obv: [M]COMMODVS ANTONINVS AVG PIVS
Please help me to identify it.

[Arminius]

Looks like a (modern?) cast.

Regards

[Tanit]

Hi

This coin was found in a place where we make in a craft way the charcoal. It is what what explains the presence of the black film which covers the red patina of the coin and which gives him an aspect of forgery.

Best Regards

[Miguel Diaz]

Sorry, but your coin is a modern cast.

Here are the scans of the same coin. Sold on Ebay in June 2004 as a reproduction.

Heavy 19th Century(?) cast copy of a Paduan(?) Medallion, weighing 51.4 grams (over two ounces), and measuring 35 mm across and 4 mm thick. M COMMODVS ANTONINVS AVG PIVS BRIT, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of Commodus facing right, in high relief. / P M TR P …., with VOTA PVBLICA in the exergue. Commodus stands, facing left, sacrificing over a tripod-altar, while a victimarius sacrifices a bull, with a temple in the background (a rare sestertius with similar scene was struck in 191 A.D., near the end of Commodus' reign).

[Pscipio]

Definitely a modern cast, unfortunately.

Lars

[Tanit]

...Medallion, weighing 51.4 grams (over two ounces), and measuring 35 mm across and 4 mm thick.

My coin weight 31.5 grams, measure 34.5 mm and 4.5 mm thick.

[jbaran]

The differences in measurement can be explained by different instruments.  The weight difference by less metal used in this cast.  It looks like a die match.

[Tanit]

Can you show me a photo of the original coin?
 

[curtislclay]

This cast derives not from a Paduan copy, but from an authentic medallion struck from genuine dies.  Indeed the original appears to have been the specimen now in Paris, formerly in the Vatican from Cardianl Albani's collection, illustrated in Gnecchi, Med. Rom. II, pl. 89.4.

[Jay GT4]

Looks like another has hit the market.  Looks to me like a die match, am I right?

40.3 g, 37mm

[Hydatius]

Yup. All fake. All the obvious signs of casting except the rim line.

Richard

[HELEN S]

Yup. All fake. All the obvious signs of casting except the rim line.

Richard

  could you give me one or two pointers that can help me see the obvious signs of casting please using the photos from Jay GT4s example as they are clear for me to see
 it will help to try and determine thanks for your time in this matter

[Joe Sermarini]

Fake coin reports please.

[areich]

The surfaces are 'soft', i.e. there are no sharp details. The raised edge on the obverse is also an indicator but it really is the softness that gives it away immediately. The example posted by Jay might be an older cast, the black could be original toning/patina. It's a better cast than the example that started this thread.

[HELEN S]

The surfaces are 'soft', i.e. there are no sharp details. The raised edge on the obverse is also an indicator but it really is the softness that gives it away immediately. The example posted by Jay might be an older cast, the black could be original toning/patina. It's a better cast than the example that started this thread.

  thanks that is a great explanation thankyou for your time its great to have such an example to look at

[areich]

By 'older' I mean perhaps 19th century.

[Jay GT4]

Fake coin reports please.

Added all four pictures as one file.

BTW sold for $114.  

ariech the raised edge would be consistent with a medallion of this type would it not?