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« on: December 06, 2006, 05:42:44 pm »

I recently recieved a batch of coins, primarily roman imperial, a few byzatine and some that appear to be islamic.  I am including a picture of obv/rev and if anyone can point me in the right direction it would be appreciated.  The three with portraits are really impressive in hand.  Seem quite sophisticated.  Again any help would be appreciated. thanks
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2006, 06:26:50 am »

all of them Artuqid (a Turkish beghlik found in Southeastern Anatolia around 12th-13th century) , but i have no idea for details Sad
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2006, 01:46:26 pm »

upper 2 Zangid:

cf for ID
http://mehmeteti.150m.com/zengids/index.htm

and lower 2 are Artuqid:

http://mehmeteti.150m.com/artuqids/index.htm

There is a starting point. You can upload them to Zeno.ru for better identification.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2006, 02:29:57 pm »

They are from the Artuqids of Mardin.

Top left.
SS42.1, Album 1830.5 (listed as rare)
Nasir al-Din Artuq Arslan (597-637 AH, 1201-1239 AD)
Minted in 618 AH

Top right
SS40, Album 1830.4 (listed as common)
Nasir al-Din Artuq Arslan (597-637 AH, 1201-1239 AD)
Minted in 611 AH

Bottom left
SS27, Album 1827.2 (listed as rare)
Najm al-Din Alpi (547-572 AH, 1152-1176 AH)
No mint date

Bottom right
SS 45, Album 1830.3 (listed as rare)
Nasir al-Din Artuq Arslan (597-637 AH, 1201-1239 AD)
Rider on Leopard
Minted in 626 AH

Album's rare means the following "Demand outstrips supply, and specimens, when availble, are often eagerly sought".
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2006, 05:26:37 pm »

Thank you, I had found some references to several of them, but nothing as detailed.  I was just very impressed with the look of the coins.  I am not very good at what I have started collecting which is roman and these were totally out of my realm (as are most things).  Again thank you for that info I do appreciate all the help from both who answered.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2006, 05:07:47 pm »

When you mentioned they were in album 1830, is this an online resource that is available?  Where would I find this kind of information.  thank you
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2006, 05:15:20 pm »

Album refers to A Checklist of Islamic Coins, Second Edition, by Stephen Album.
SS refers to Turkoman Figural Bronze Coins and Their Iconongraphy, a two volume set, by William F. Spengler and Wayne G. Sayles.

The second link provided by Levon has your coins.  You have to click on the correct link for the ruler to see the coins.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2006, 05:35:32 pm »

Hi

'Album 1830' is a reference to number 1830 in 'A checklist of Islamic coins' by Steven Album, where the coins of the Artukids of Mardin are nos.1826-1847.

Album's 'Checklist' is a very useful guide to the coinages of the various dynasties, but is very condensed (over 250 dynasties in 150 pages) and totally unillustrated.

The better guide to the figural coinages are the two volumes by Spengler and Sayles (the SS references), 'Turkoman Figural Bronze Coins and Their Iconography', Vol.I - The Artukids and Vol.II - The Zengids. These are well illustrated and also transcribe and transliterate all the legends.

The best online reference I have found to the Artukid coins is http://www.geocities.com/mehmeteti/
though there must be others (besides the three links he gives).
For the Zengids, see http://islamiccoins.ancients.info/Zangids/Zangids.htm

Best wishes

Alan

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