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« on: October 05, 2006, 08:45:56 pm »

Hello All,

This piece came to me labelled as an Ottoman AR Dirhem, Ahmed I, Amid Mint. I do not have it in hand but is roughly 20 mm in diameter, give or take 3 mm. I am wondering if anyone can confirm or deny ID, and give catalogue reference number. Thanks in advance.

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Levon


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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2006, 03:00:50 pm »

The toughra appears very similar to one illustrated in Mitchiner's World of Islam for Ahmad I.  He calls his coin with this taughra a Para (of 3 Akches: 2.4 grams). 
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2006, 03:15:25 pm »

17-18 mm. Is a para the equivalent of dirhem?
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2006, 03:45:41 pm »

If I remember correctly, a dirhem weighs about 3 grams.  So, a para is a little light to be considered a dirhem.

Album does say that Ahmed I did issue coins called dirhems, plus a lot of other coin values with their own unique names.  The taughra was also used on the dirhems along with its use on the para.  Album says that dirhems for this ruler are common.

So the weight of the coin seems to be important.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2006, 06:53:08 pm »

Dear Howard,

Thanks for narrowing this down. At this point we have reached the limit as I cannot supply the weight.

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Levon
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2006, 12:12:38 pm »

hi Levon

I have also seen this on Zeno.
Sorry I am really struggling with my internet connection right now.

This is an Ahmet I most likely of Amid mint.  I can read "m" and "a" but I dont think it is Mardin I am pretty certain it is Amid.
It must be a Dirhem according to the size. Check on Ottomancoins.com to be sure.

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2006, 01:43:36 pm »

Thanks!
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