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Eadgar or Edward the Martyr, unrecorded type
« on: September 23, 2006, 11:56:48 am »
Got this a couple of weeks ago, evidently this moneyer has not been recorded for these reigns at York. Probably Regenbald.

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Re: Eadgar or Edward the Martyr, unrecorded type
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2006, 07:24:01 pm »
Can you eliminate the First Small Cross type of Aethelred II? You can probably read the inscriptions better in the hand; what are they exactly?
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Re: Eadgar or Edward the Martyr, unrecorded type
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2006, 08:44:11 pm »
Hi Robert,
I must admit that this is not my Id on the coin (we don't tend to find many late saxon pennies) but from Martin at the corpus.
He stated
'Eadgar Reform type or Edward the Martyr cut halfpenny, York, moneyer
Regen(bald?), reading +REGE[ ]EFERP. The moneyer may be Regenbald
(recorded at York in the reign of Aethelred II), but Regenold or
Regenulf (names recorded at Winchester in Eadgar's Reform type) are also
possibilities.'

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Re: Eadgar or Edward the Martyr, unrecorded type
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2006, 10:26:03 am »
That's why I asked; it struck me that it could have been one of Aethelred's moneyers, and he does have a type with the bust left and small cross pattee. I'm really not sure, any more than Matin appears to have been.
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Re: Eadgar or Edward the Martyr, unrecorded type
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2006, 02:42:02 pm »
OK, it's definitely not Aethelred since if it was, the obverse inscription would start with the dipthong AE (I don't know how to type it). It's a pity, if only because 'Aethelred Unraed' sounds marvellous until you translate it (Ethelred the Unadvised, or Unready). The last word in the inscription, ANGLOX, takes up almost half of the circle. This is the case in the only Eadgar type with bust left illustrated in the 1963 edition of North, the Reform Portrait type, which has ANGLOX. On the Edward the Martyr types illustrated, whatever abbreviation of ANGLORUM is used takes considerably less than this. So I'd plump for Eadgar.
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Re: Eadgar or Edward the Martyr, unrecorded type
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2006, 03:37:21 pm »
Great stuff, would you then presume that the moneyer would be one of the two from Winchester or would it still (possibly) be Regenbald?

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Re: Eadgar or Edward the Martyr, unrecorded type
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2006, 03:48:04 pm »
EFERP can't be Winchester; that would be WINTONI. But it could be a misreading (the last letter isn't clear) or a blundering of an abbreviation of EOFERWIC, which is York. Some moneyers continued from one reign to another; Regenulf was still striking for Aethelred. That's hardly surprising; the skills must have been hard to find. So I'd plump for a possible Regenbald.
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