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Chinese or Annam ?
« on: October 20, 2009, 12:29:26 pm »
I am using this shortcut again. I can not find this coin in any of my catalogues.There is no reverse.Can anybody help me.

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Re: Chinese or Annam ?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 12:59:53 pm »
Hello!

Size and weight would help.....

 I consulted Barker - and it could be ANNAM - TRI BINH NGUYEN BAO (1205-1210). Barker #8.2.

OR it is:

CHINA - Northern Song Dynasty - Emperor Ying Zong - Zhi Ping Reign  Regular script,  Hartill #16.160 or 16.161. (I think perhaps 161)

Because of the style, I am voting for CHINA, rather than Annam.  The top character of TRI or ZHI  治
looks more like the Chinese coin... in Annam issue it is open at the top.
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Re: Chinese or Annam ?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 01:25:07 pm »
Dear dpaul7
Thank you for a quick answer. You are right-it is Ying Zong. I can not understand that I missed that going through Hartill.
Thanks again  ;D

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Re: Chinese or Annam ?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 03:52:50 pm »
this coin look suspicious for me but I can't realy explain it...

Celarly this coin isn't a genuine chinese coin, style isn't good (for Zhi and Ping character) but it can be an ancient imitation made in Corea, Japan or Vietnam, I can't be sure if I don't have this coin in hand...

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Re: Chinese or Annam ?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 04:54:52 pm »
The ZHI is not in an "official" style for Annam -- it MAY be unofficial!  The PING character IS odd.  The YUAN character does not QUITE fit into Hartill's illustrations, if combined with other characters.

Again, without size and weight, it is difficult to determine exactly. 
no reverse -- do you mean no characters?  Or literally, NO REVERSE. If there is NO REVERSE, then it is definitely an imitation.

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Re: Chinese or Annam ?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 05:15:23 pm »
Dear dpaul7 and leseullunique.
Thank you both for your contribution, this gives a new lead to find out more about this coin.
The coin weighs about 2g-3g..my weight is not very good, and it is 22mm.There is no characters on the reverse.
One question to you, if I may. One year ago I bought the handwritten manuscript of Fredrik Schøth for Chinese Currency, with lots of drawings, mostly charms.Do you think it has any value ?
Thanks again   Regards  A.

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Re: Chinese or Annam ?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 06:30:20 pm »
Just send me a picture andI will give you the value, this author wrote many book, many was still used by great european seller until 2005, now Hartill's book is the reference but Schoth book are allwaysresearched for library.

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Re: Chinese or Annam ?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2009, 04:57:34 am »
Northern Song, Zhi Ping, genuine but common. value less than 0.50 USD.

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Re: Chinese or Annam ?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2009, 05:05:20 am »
Thanks Epmunt ;D

 

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