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« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2007, 05:24:45 pm »

Ditto! Awesome coin!
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« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2007, 07:23:12 pm »

Here is a similar one.. I think this one was listed earlier.
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« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2007, 06:07:16 am »

I like the character of your coin, the reverse is very nice.

ALEXIUS I AE tetarteron S-1932 DOC 45
Patriarchal cross on two steps. Rev Bust facing wearing crown and loros and holding jewelled sceptre and gl.cr

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« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2007, 03:33:19 am »

And the next one - Alexius I, Sear 1922, 18 mm, 3.62 g.
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« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2007, 09:52:24 am »

Congratulations!!!!
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« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2007, 07:24:02 am »

Nice!
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« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2007, 03:38:48 am »

Ok - the next one:
19mm, 2.46g
What do you think?
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« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2007, 07:44:51 am »

Very nice , I have never seen this one.   Isaac Comnenus, Usurper in Cyprus S-1993
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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2007, 09:28:40 am »

Yes, it's Sear 1993.

But now an easier coin - always offered as "Manuel", because there is a nimbated saint.
But of course it's John II, mint of Thessalonica, Sear 1955, and the saint is Demetrius.
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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2007, 10:23:13 am »

Very easy to distinguish even when the inscriptions are not clear
1. The shield in Manuels'-St George coins is oval shaped. Here (Sear 1955) is rectangular.
2. The hair of St George are so different (many dots, giving a curled impression).
No way to confuse them (see picture)
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« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2008, 09:30:43 am »

The next one is 20mm, 4.46g
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« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2008, 01:39:12 pm »

Sear 1953
John II Comnenus, Thessalonica mint Grin
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« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2008, 01:43:28 am »

Yes, Sear 1953.
But what's about this one:
20mm, 3.54g
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« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2008, 06:44:24 am »

Well, your pictures are not so clear to be easy to identify.
I can not even tell if Christ is seated or standing.
My two best estimates:
If Christ is seated : Sear 1922, Alexius I Comnenus
If Christ is standing: Sear 1945, John II Comnenus
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« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2008, 10:18:35 am »

It's not visible if Christ is seated or standing.
What's about the legend?
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« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2008, 02:56:40 am »

This coin is saved in my "data" as Sear 2014, but the revers is not "the same"....any help!?!?
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« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2008, 03:09:36 am »

Sear 1968
Manuel I Comnenus
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« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2008, 06:08:25 am »

!?!?!? Manuel's tetartera depict the Virgin in full-lenght!
Rev. is the same, but.....
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« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2008, 08:59:30 am »

Dear Val

your observation is correct. It is neither Sear 1968 nor Sear 2014.
What it is... Huh

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« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2008, 10:36:48 am »

 Smiley That is the question, dear Thomas!
I suspect  seller of some kind of picture mistake ...but maybe my knowledge is not enough!? Huh
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« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2008, 02:58:16 pm »

OK now I have the answer Grin
I thought that you actually own the coin, so I presumed that the pictures are reliable.
Now that you clarified that it's not your coin, I looked again and ... Shocked
Please look closely at the contour of each picture.
You will notice that the do not match.
They belong to different coins, obviously Sear 1968 and Sear 2014 respectively...
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« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2008, 08:29:23 pm »

To clarify the explanation here is my example.

Alexius III Billion Tetarteron S-2014 DOC
Bust of Virgin nimbate, orans, wearing tunic and maphorion, turned to r. Manus Dei in upper right field. REV. Bust of emperor wearing stemma, divitision, collar piece, and jeweled loros of simplified type;holds in r. hand labarum-headed sceptre and in l. gl. cr. ( 1195-1197 A.D.) Constantinople mint. 18/20mm Very Fine/aVery Fine

Interesting coin because it was the last of the billion tetartera , the billion series was retired due to inflation. Hendy has dated this coin early in his reign partially because of the legend of the DOC example. However, this coin contridicts that, here the legend is not abreviated but has the complete family name as does the example in coin archives. I still believe that these coins were minted early on in the Alexius IIIrd sole reign.This example is the nicest of the other examples I have seen on the web and in DOC 
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« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2008, 09:37:07 am »

MAnuel S-1969, the first one I have ever seen offered for sale. The X on the staff is the tell tale sign it is not a John II but a Manuel.
This is the first one I have ever seen offered for sale:
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« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2008, 09:51:00 am »

The next one is Isaac II, Sear 2004.
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« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2008, 03:26:03 pm »

Hi Ruediger


The Manuel one is a cool find, that one is a little nicer than mine. The Isaac II coin was very nearly in my collection , I went back to buy it and I saw it was gone, congratulations. What makes that one so cool is it still has traces of silvering on it.

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