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« on: May 26, 2005, 01:21:14 pm »

This coin was found in England. Barbaric?
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2005, 01:21:55 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2005, 01:46:24 pm »

Hi,

This is truly a "barbaric" or local immitation of a coin from the early 270's (Tetricus I SPES PVBLICA prototype, reverse photo upside down with the semi circle being the arms of Spes?), produced 274-86(?).

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2005, 02:01:22 pm »

Yes but who imitated it? Celts? Was Britain independent or under Roman control in those time? and if it was under control of Tetricus, why would they need imitate copper coins? Is this coin common/scarce? Any classifications for barbaric coins online?
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2005, 02:07:31 pm »

Hi,

These "barbaric" immitations are not from the barbaric lands, that is, those outside the Roman Empire. They are from within the Roman Empire.

Dating is difficult as they can be produced anywhere between 273 and, say, 287.

In my thesis I tentatively proposed a way of classifying hoards of these but not individual specimens as:

1. Artistic quality is dependent on the die engraver's skill, and

2. The size of the coins is goverened by the availability of metal for their production.

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2005, 02:30:46 pm »

What was the subject of your thesis? I imagine that they were produced by the native Britons, who would have had a Romanised Celtic culture. I think I see elements of both in this coinage.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2005, 11:26:58 am »

Hi,

The title was "Aspects of the Relationship Between the Central and Gallic Empires in the Mid to Late Third Century AD". It is available as a monograph in the British Archaeological Reports International Series, No. 963 (2001).

It is an examination of, amongst other things, the changing composition of Gallic hoards and the movement of Central Empire coin into them.

There are also chapters on the bronze coinage of Postumus, Gallic Empire gold, immitations, Gallic inscriptions and a general history of the period.

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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2005, 02:13:49 am »

Where would I be able to get a copy?
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2005, 03:21:45 am »

Hi,

"Aspects of the Relationship Between...." is available from Archaeopress (http://www.archaeopress.com/) and also from Oxbow Books/David Brown Books (http://www.oxbowbooks.com/). If you search for it on the net you'll find other suppliers. By the way I receive no royalties so I guess this doesn't count as an advert (I hope).

There's a significant amount of statistics in part of it when I analyse the hoards.

Lee Toone has a review of it on his numismatic book website (http://www.ariel2000.freeserve.co.uk/review2.htm) as well as a review of the book by fellow board member Adrianus (http://www.ariel2000.freeserve.co.uk/review1.htm).
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2005, 03:53:09 am »

Thanks. I've added it to my list of things to get with my GCSE money (I deserve something too once the annual nightmare is over!).
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2005, 08:01:31 am »

Robert! I hope you don't find your pupils 'nightmares' !?
Surprised you find time to be on our forum!


sympathise with you as our exams are in full swing now and correction papers will be on the way to me, too!


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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2005, 01:46:31 pm »

A few of them are, unfortunately, though 95% are nice kids. The few spoil it for the many unfortunately, unless management run the strictest of systems, and not many do. I was referring to exam marking though; a couple of hours of GCSE papers afer a full day at school is no fun, and it lasts a month. I need the money, unfortunately.
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