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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2018, 03:55:56 pm »
EGYPT, Alexandria. Hadrian Dichalkon 137-38 AD Pomegranate

Reference.
cf RPC III, 6261; Emmett 1199.22

Issue   L KB = year 22

Obv.
Laureate head of Hadrian, right

Rev L ΚΒ
Pomegranate

2.07 gr
15 mm
12h
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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 02:06:38 am »
Vespasian, first issue of 71 with full name VESPASIANVS:

IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG P M T P P P COS III, bust laureate r. resting on globe and with aegis on shoulder

FIDES EXERCITVVM, S C in ex. , clasped hands before legionary eagle on prow.

The obverse die is A23 in Colin Kraay's unpublished Oxford dissertation, the rev. die P75. Kraay didn't know this die combination, but it is recorded by RIC 70 from a single specimen in the Termopolio Hoard from Pompeii, published in 1997.

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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2018, 06:57:52 am »
Hi folks,

How about this one? (first coin):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/ri_aug_ae_ptR03.htm

It may be a sea salvaged (salt water?) coin.

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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 06:59:22 am »
both eaten alive your and Randy
 
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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2018, 10:19:48 am »
The obverse die is A23 in Colin Kraay's unpublished Oxford dissertation, the rev. die P75. Kraay didn't know this die combination, but it is recorded by RIC 70 from a single specimen in the Termopolio Hoard from Pompeii, published in 1997.

Randy,

I'd be curious to learn your source for this information, since I think it must ultimately come from me. The number of people having access to a copy of Kraay's unpublished dissertation, and the inclination to use it to check dies, must be extremely small!
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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2018, 10:45:02 am »
The obverse die is A23 in Colin Kraay's unpublished Oxford dissertation, the rev. die P75. Kraay didn't know this die combination, but it is recorded by RIC 70 from a single specimen in the Termopolio Hoard from Pompeii, published in 1997.

Randy,

I'd be curious to learn your source for this information, since I think it must ultimately come from me. The number of people having access to a copy of Kraay's unpublished dissertation, and the inclination to use it to check dies, must be extremely small!

That's very interesting to me, since I own another example of RIC V 70, which has been recorded by the late Ted Buttrey in the RIC II A&C.

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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2018, 02:06:20 pm »
The obverse die is A23 in Colin Kraay's unpublished Oxford dissertation, the rev. die P75. Kraay didn't know this die combination, but it is recorded by RIC 70 from a single specimen in the Termopolio Hoard from Pompeii, published in 1997.

Randy,

I'd be curious to learn your source for this information, since I think it must ultimately come from me. The number of people having access to a copy of Kraay's unpublished dissertation, and the inclination to use it to check dies, must be extremely small!

You were the source :) a little over 7 years ago.

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"Looks like Vespasian, first issue of 71 with full name VESPASIANVS:

IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG P M T P P P COS III, bust laureate r. resting on globe and with aegis on shoulder

FIDES EXERCITVVM, S C in ex. , clasped hands before legionary eagle on prow.

The obverse die is A23 in Colin Kraay's unpublished Oxford dissertation, the rev. die P75. Kraay didn't know this die combination, but it is recorded by RIC 70 from a single specimen in the Termopolio Hoard from Pompeii, published in 1997.

These are rare types: only one other obv. die of the issue shows this combination of aegis and globe for the bust, and this is the only rev. die of the FIDES EXERCITVVM type used in the issue, though a second such die was used later in the year with Vespasian's name abbreviated VESPASIAN (no -VS).

To see what your dies looked like before the corrosion, see RIC pl. 18, 117 and pl. 16, 71 for the obv. and rev. respectively! These are the same two dies on well preserved specimens in other die combinations."

"thanks for the help Curtislclay !"



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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2018, 02:37:50 pm »
Thanks for the confirmation!

A little late, but please correct my typo in the last line: "TheSe are the same two dies", not "TheRe are".
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Re: OK, let's see those Ugly Ducklings...
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2018, 02:17:45 am »
Fixed :) Didn't notice that either. Thanks again for the i.d.

 

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