Assume this is a Fake Owl?

[Virgil H]

I was perusing a popular auction site where I never buy coins, but I look from time to time. The coin here screams fake to me, but I am not experienced in this at all. The seller has no feedback and may be a new account. It is not on the fake sellers list, but I am thinking maybe it should be. What do you all think? I will not name the seller until the coin is judged to be fake by you experts. I have no intention of bidding on it fake or not, I am trying to confirm my abilities to pick out what I think is an obvious fake.

Virgil

[Kevin D]

It looks like a cast coin to me, having the same appearance as an example on this webpage (near the bottom of the page at 13.2 grams):

http://rg.ancients.info/owls/forgeries.html

Is there a weight listed for your coin in question?

[djmacdo]

Not only is it a fake, it is a cast of an earlier fake.  Fakers often use other fake coins to make more fake coins because it is much easier to get a fake coin from which to make cast than to get a real coin.

[Virgil H]

Thanks, I was just sure this one was cast, seems obvious to me. No width or weight given.

Virgil

[glebe]

Or horn silver?

Ross G.

[Kevin D]

Or horn silver?

Maybe not out of the realm of possibility, but the coins I’ve seen with bad cases of hornsilver still have better detail visible underneath the hornsilver than what I see on this coin. The explanation of a cast of a fake seems to fit the subdued detail on this coin. Too bad we don’t have a weight, because if this coin is like the 13.2 gram example on Reid’s webpage, it would be more evidence for a cast coin (I think a genuine example even with a bad case of hornsilver would still have a higher weight than 13 grams).

[Joe Sermarini]

I am confident this is fake.