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Magistros

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Anonymous follis
« on: December 26, 2020, 08:16:39 am »
Hi,

Is this Anonymous Follis Class K (SB 1901)?

Thanks

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2020, 05:02:21 pm »
Yes, I agree Class k.

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2020, 05:38:17 pm »
Thank you! Are these coins normally clipped in this way? It is almost square shaped.

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2020, 08:01:52 am »
I have not seen clipped but normally messy with understrikes. To make matters worse you will find many overstruck  by Alexius  Tetartera.

Here is a tetarteron that also depicts the Virgin, the remains of the K class follis are the balls around the image. One coin in particular SBCV-1910 does not exist, its is a tetarteron overstruck on a K class follis.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5633 My main collection of Tetartera. Post reform coinage.

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2020, 11:51:45 am »
Is it clipped or was it struck on a flan cut from an older and larger coin?

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2020, 02:52:16 pm »
I have not seen clipped but normally messy with understrikes. To make matters worse you will find many overstruck  by Alexius  Tetartera.

Here is a tetarteron that also depicts the Virgin, the remains of the K class follis are the balls around the image. One coin in particular SBCV-1910 does not exist, its is a tetarteron overstruck on a K class follis.

Thanks Simon very interesting

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2020, 03:04:33 pm »
Is it clipped or was it struck on a flan cut from an older and larger coin?

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It looks like it has been clipped

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2020, 03:11:15 pm »
Is it clipped or was it struck on a flan cut from an older and larger coin?

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I think it was struck on a strange flan but I am just speculating. Normally when discussing clipped coinage we are talking about a government mandate and action to clip the coins, that does not include someone vandalizing  the coin by shaving it or in this case reshaping it. Who knows where a coin traveled or what someone did to them to pass the time.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5633 My main collection of Tetartera. Post reform coinage.

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2020, 04:55:27 pm »
I am not so sure it was clipped after striking.  If you put it on a piece of paper and draw out the remainder of the circle it appears that the design is only centered on the bits that remain - it is not centered on the circular part.  If I am right about this then that means it was struck on the odd shaped flan - which was cut down to size from an early larger coins.

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Re: Anonymous follis
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2020, 05:30:25 am »
I think you are right that it was struck on this flan, but I cannot see any traces of it being struck on an earlier coin. The flan is also quite thin

 

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