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Offline Mario L

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Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« on: September 11, 2020, 10:23:59 am »
Hi there!

As a new-by in the field, I have question to the experts around.
I have a gold coin, that I need an opinion for, since I do not have an idea about if it is valuable or just can be melted for the gold.

Would be happy for an answer. Many thanks

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2020, 11:33:38 am »
If it is genuine, it is extremely valuable and worth far more than its weight in gold.  You should get the coin appraised.
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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2020, 04:31:26 pm »
The obverse is not far off genuine style, but the Jupiter on the reverse is horrible and looks nothing like the style of any other Licinius solidus you can find an image of.

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2020, 08:31:22 pm »
The Jupiter is certainly odd, but here's a RIC 18 from Vienna that is all but identical (not a reverse die match though). The draped obverse would be unlisted.

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2020, 09:44:26 pm »
Ben,

What makes you think the those two rev. dies are different?
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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2020, 10:11:50 pm »
The O and N of iovi cONs .. appear to be different sizes .. but maybe that's just the strike ?

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2020, 01:23:58 am »
Hi all,

It looks to me as the same obverse die for both coins.

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2020, 01:28:34 am »
I can see it now - the O and N just look different due to the lighting - a bit of an illusion.

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2020, 02:52:59 am »
Hi everyone!

Thanks for the answers so far.

I did not find that one from Vienna online - as you said (Cognius), it has 1:1 reverse. Is is from an auction or museum?

The obverse still worries me - will it make it an unique fake or an unique real aureus?

I don't have the literature sources to check it, so I am so far relying on pics form the internet.

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2020, 02:54:56 am »
... forgot to mention .... just measured the weight - 5.28g... should be also OK according to what I found around (5.3g for aurei from that time)....

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2020, 08:04:48 am »
Wow.  I had not seen that example either.  What an ugly Jupiter, but nice confirmation for the coin.....

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2020, 08:24:16 am »

Die failure shows that this coin was minted some time after the Vienna coin.

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2020, 09:21:52 am »
Hi Mario,

Yes, that comparision coin is from Vienna national museum, and from the die failure that Pekka noted your coin is from same die but not a copy of the other one. Everything about your coin looks good to me - interesting to see that obverse. Certainly don't melt it!  :)

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2020, 02:59:36 pm »
Hi again!

I also noted the die failure in the Vienna National Museum coin, just it is smaller compared to my coin.

Thanks to all for the help.  +++

So one coin saved from melting  ;)


Have a nice evening/day

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Re: Licinius I Aureus Siscia
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2020, 10:25:24 am »
Any genuine ancient gold coin will always be worth more as a coin than as bullion. 

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