Two more medieval coins

[cot b]

These coins was found with metal-detector on the place of medieval willarge.The first one is iron and looks like a "gian galeazzo maria sforza teston" but it is smaller! IT SEEMS FOR MEE IT IS A RUDE FAKE!

[cot b]

The second one is a hungary denar of "Mathias the second 1612 patrona hungaria" Isnt it

[Maffeo]

I can't help you with the second coin, but the first is definitely a fake. This is immediately evident in that both Ludovico Maria Sforza (in the first pic) and Giangaleazzo Maria Sforza (in the second) are indicated in the legends as DVX. MLI (Dux Mediolani = duke of Milan). At the time Giangaleazzo was duke of Milan while Ludovico Maria was regent, hence the real coin qualifies him as such and not as duke.  These fakes were produced as a publicity gimmick by candy makers in Italy in the 1960s.

[cot b]

thank You for you coment! I understand,thai it was a fake,but i belive that it is not so rude...

[cot b]

And what about mathias denar,the second coin? Who can help me?

[Manzikert]

Hi

Yes, though the ruler's name is off the flan at top right on the reverse, the date is definitely in the reign of Matthias II (1608-1619). I believe this coin was struck at the Kremnitz mint (KB at the sides of the shield).

Best wishes

Alan

[Stkp]

Yes, it is a Hungarian denar, issued during the reign of Matthias II, from the Kremnitz mint (then Körmöcbánya, Hungary, now Kremnica, Slovakia).

The catalog reference is Huszár 1140.

The legends read:  MAT • II • D • G • HV • BO • REX • 1612 •
and
PATRONA • HVNGARI •

[cot b]

  I find some where in net information about these denar, that such Mathias denar is very rare-R6! Is it true? Thank you for opinions

[Stkp]

It is true that Huszár assigns it a rarity rating of R6. 

Huszár uses a scale of 1-14 and then R1-R5 for medieval silver and base metal coins, but then uses a different scale for coins minted after 1540 (I just realized this tonight).  This different scale appears to go from R1-R14.  On this scale, an R6 would not be rare.

Sorry.

[Cibalia]

It is true that Huszár assigns it a rarity rating of R6. 

Huszár uses a scale of 1-14 and then R1-R5 for medieval silver and base metal coins, but then uses a different scale for coins minted after 1540 (I just realized this tonight).  This different scale appears to go from R1-R14.  On this scale, an R6 would not be rare.

Sorry.

Thanks for that, I wondered how his system worked, me not reading German! I found this exact type two days ago, same date too.

[Joe Sermarini]

Looking on Coin Archives, coins rated R6 do seem to be at least sometimes described as rare. Also, although on p. 19 is says the scale goes from R1 - R14, it actually appears to up to R20.