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Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« on: May 22, 2020, 11:43:21 am »
HI all,

Here we have a rare medallion of Hadrian, and with a unknown variant on the bust


Reference.
Cf. RIC II.3 2893; cf. Strack 482; cf. Mittag 97; cf. Gnecchi III, p. 23, 129; cf. Banti 692 sn

Bust A2+

Obv. IMP CAESAR HADRIANVS AVG COS III P P
Bare head, with drapery

Rev. SALVS on altar
Salus standing right, before altar, feeding snake hanging from tree on the right.

47.98 gr
36 mm
12h

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2020, 04:49:49 pm »
Great coin... +++

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2020, 06:40:50 pm »
Quote from: quadrans on May 22, 2020, 04:49:49 pm
Great coin... +++

Joe

Thank you Joe,

a special coin but not so much used as coinage, it was more given as a gift, must read into the details
 
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2020, 07:31:01 pm »
This is really a beautiful Hadrian medallion.

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2020, 03:27:16 am »
Hi oki,

Nice coin! :)

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2020, 01:20:41 pm »
Thank you both, i'll mail this one to  Mr. Abdy 
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2020, 03:35:41 pm »
That's great!

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2020, 04:35:25 pm »
Just wonderful! Is it bi-metallic?
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2020, 09:05:23 am »
Hi Eric,
very nice medallion! I have not yet been able to acquire a Pius example, but who knows..
Funny that Salus'  snake hangs from a tree; do we have snakes that live in trees in Europe? Wonder where the idea came from.
Congrats friend!

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2020, 03:23:28 pm »
Thank you all,

@ Pete i do not know, is this bi-metallic same as Orichalcum?
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2020, 05:09:59 pm »
What an absolutely fantastic addition to your collection. Congratulations.

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2020, 05:33:43 pm »
<<@ Pete i do not know, is this bi-metallic same as Orichalcum?>>

As I recollect, the inner part is bronze and the outer surrounding rim is Orichalcum...or the other way around.
Perhaps one of our experts can chime-in.

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2020, 05:59:01 pm »
From the web:
"Bi-metallic coin - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-metallic_coin
Bi-metallic coins have been issued for a long time, with known examples dating from the 17th century, while the Roman Empire issued special-occasion, large medallions with a center of bronze or copper and an outer ring of orichalcum, starting with the reign of Hadrian.
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2020, 07:14:18 am »
<<@ Pete i do not know, is this bi-metallic same as Orichalcum?>>

As I recollect, the inner part is bronze and the outer surrounding rim is Orichalcum...or the other way around.
Perhaps one of our experts can chime-in.

PeteB

Both options exists as far as I remember.
This one doesn't seems bimetallic from the photo, but the patina could be deceiving (it doesn't seems completely natural to be honest).

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2020, 10:42:16 am »
From what I see the innerpart is orichalkum and the outer rim is red copper.

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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2020, 10:56:29 am »
From what I see the innerpart is orichalkum and the outer rim is red copper.

Frans

One day i'll show it when we meet  +++
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2020, 11:25:59 pm »
Looks to me like all one metal, probably orichalcum.

On bimetallic coins there is usually a clearly visible circular line marking the transition between the central disk of one metal and the outer ring of the other metal.
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2020, 02:23:16 pm »
Looks to me like all one metal, probably orichalcum.

On bimetallic coins there is usually a clearly visible circular line marking the transition between the central disk of one metal and the outer ring of the other metal.

yes it's all one metal, thank you on comments and compliments 
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2020, 03:22:40 pm »
Very lovely medaillon, I like it, congrats. :)

Regarding the first bimetallic coins, I know at least one bimetallic sestertius of Nero, so the article about these coins has to be corrected.


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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2020, 05:22:25 pm »
What makes you think that Nero sestertius is bimetallic? I see no certain indications.

One could say, though I'm not sure it's decisive: yellow metal on RO CLAVD of the obv. legend, red metal on the high points of Nero's portrait. I miss the clear join line where the copper of the core meets the brass of the rim.
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Re: Hadrian Medallion Roma 130-38 AD Salus standing variant
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2020, 05:44:12 pm »
I think I see the inner and outer part at 4-5 o-clock on the obverse. 🤔

 

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