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« on: May 21, 2020, 08:05:33 am »

I believe that these are die matches. One is a coin currently at auction the other from the fakes reports.

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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2020, 02:19:03 pm »

Does Germanicus make that limp arm gesture on any of the genuine ones? On mine it's a straight-arm salute.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2020, 08:40:15 pm »

Certainly looks like a die match.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2020, 10:05:07 pm »

I don't think there's a die match, based on some spacing on some elements as I see them.   Both are remarkably well-preserved for the issue, if genuine.   
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2020, 06:23:06 am »

Apparent spacing differences are probably just different camera angles.  Even coins from the same dies can look quite different in photos taken from slightly different angles.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2020, 06:27:42 am »

I have several of these fakes that I spotted in a catalog that I will be uploading fake reports on. I have spoken to the auction house directly who have immediately withdrawn them all.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2020, 10:27:58 am »

At first, I thought not a die match due to the "SIGNIS" not matching - one looked as though it went through to the armpit. But, at closer inspection it's the rough surface, it may be a match.
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Does Germanicus make that limp arm gesture on any of the genuine ones? On mine it's a straight-arm salute.
Interesting because mine is a straight-arm as well.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2020, 12:55:49 pm »

Does Germanicus make that limp arm gesture on any of the genuine ones? On mine it's a straight-arm salute.

Sometimes he does. But more characteristic is that he has strong arms and that the palm of his hand (which very ofte is struck weakly) is directed towards the viewer.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2020, 06:45:14 am »

There are more fakes in this auction, posted them already to another board

Die matches for sale as museum replicas

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/183207325/roman-sestertius-von-nerva-marcvs?ga_search_query=nerva&ref=shop_items_search_1

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/178933046/roman-sestertius-von-vespasianvs?ref=shop_home_active_309




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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2020, 06:52:06 am »

Greek fakes

Demetrios, obverse is possibly copied from authetnic coin but recut and reverse is completely modern.

http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?mode=6Q/zOXMHeZ0=&id=/3slGKyxRyQ=

IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 5 No.1/2 1980 Page 4 Fig 3


Balas

Transfer die fake, same obverse die as in bulletin and same scratch/nick through the middle of Balas ear and same die flaw on obverse at 1 o´clock right to the hair.
I haven´t found this nick in ear on authentic specimens and there exist impossible die combinations and fakes with too much weight for phoenician weight standard of 14.3g.

IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 16 No.1 1991 Page 31 Fig 6b

http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=HdmjjN7vkxI=



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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2020, 06:59:43 am »

There are more fake, only overlooked auction, now I am looking more carefully

Claudius fake from modern hand cut die, it seems like martin was faster and added this one already to fake reports Sad

Here die match for sale as modern replica

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/178572282/roman-dupondius-von-claudius-i-c?ga_search_query=Claudius&ref=shop_items_search_1

Trajan is fake , too

Here die match for sale as modern replica

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/182637420/roman-sestertius-von-trajan?ga_search_query=trajan&ref=shop_items_search_1



And like to another die match to the fake from the first post in this topic, for sale as replica

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/178583999/roman-dupondius-von-germanicus-struck?ga_search_query=Germanicus&ref=shop_items_search_3

I do not like other coins there too but too lazy and I do not want to invest more time for this.
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2020, 07:12:04 am »

Fake coin reports please.
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