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Offline Mark Fox

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Turkey & Tunisia Want Restrictive MoUs with US...
« on: January 04, 2020, 12:33:38 pm »
Dear List,

Yes, this feared nightmare scenario is finally happening...  Late last year, Turkey and Tunisia formally requested the US to impose import restrictions on a very wide range of archaeological and ethnological material.  I only became aware of the proposed MoUs a few days ago.  Coins are only implied in the Turkish request, but will almost assuredly be raised and burdened with import restrictions in the upcoming Cultural Property Advisory Committee (CPAC) meeting on January 21.  For the regulars among us not attending the meeting, we have only until January 7 to submit electronic or printed public comments to influence the outcomes.  Interested parties (from around the world) can do so by entering the docket DOS-2019-0043 at http://www.regulations.gov and clicking on the “Comment Now!” button.  More info on the current MoUs and instructions on what points should be addressed in electronic comments can be found at:

http://culturalpropertyobserver.blogspot.com/2019/11/please-comment-on-proposed-mous-with.html

A longer summary of the current situation will be published in the next issue of the E-Sylum this Sunday.  However, I want to also stress here that if all the import restrictions likely to be requested by Turkey and Tunisia are approved, then most ancient coins (in light of previous bilateral agreements) will become vulnerable objects to import into the US without export permits or documentation giving evidence of their presence outside the source country before the implementation of a given MoU.  For the Turkish request alone, a huge swath of Carthaginian, Greek, Persian, and LRBs, the majority of Byzantine coinage, and even some modern Ottoman issues, will very likely be affected.  Yes, it is now normal to restrict world coins too.    


Sincerely,

Mark Fox
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Re: Turkey & Tunisia Want Restrictive MoUs with US...
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2020, 07:42:07 am »
It is hard to understate the importance of these State Department MOUs.  And time is short.  Commenting seems the only avenue open to most of us individual collectors.  I contributed my comments today.  Please contribute yours right now.

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Re: Turkey & Tunisia Want Restrictive MoUs with US...
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2020, 08:12:49 pm »
You can file despite being a non-US citizen.  I submitted the following comment this evening:

Dear US Department of State officials,

Any regulations related to the importation of ancient coinage from Turkey will raise serious challenges related to applicability, namely in relation to the determination of what is a Turkish coin.  Such challenges call for careful expert study.

The most clear example of this challenges is related to coinage of the Roman era.

During the "late Roman" period of the Roman Empire - generally taken as meaning the late third through to fifth centuries AD - Roman coinage was struck at a series of approximately 15 mints scattered across the territory of the Empire.  Five of these mints were on the territory of the modern state of Turkey - Heraclea, Constantinople, Nicomedia, Cyzicus and Antioch

Coinage struck at these Imperial-controlled mints was then distributed throughout the Roman Empire and beyond.  This distribution began immediately after striking and continued, due to normal coin circulation, throughout the duration of the Roman Empire.

As an example of this distribution, figures from the UK's PAS (Portable Antiquities Scheme) website (finds.org.uk), which records only local finds made by the public in England and Wales and voluntarily reported, registered (as of January 07, 2020) the following coins struck at these mints: 

Heraclea: 105 examples
Constantinople: 1,054 examples
Nicomedia: 112 examples
Cyzicus: 181 examples
Antioch: 309 examples

Thus we have 1,761 coins struck on the territory of modern Turkey, reported as found by members of the UK public in recent years.  We can assume that such finds almost entirely represent coins which appeared in the UK in ancient times - over a millennia and half before the creation of the modern state of Turkey.

This distribution pattern of Roman coinage can be found in countries across north, west, east and south Europe as well as the Middle east and North Africa - in other words through the extent of the Roman Empire.

How does one determine what coins fall under the aegis of such an agreement?  The argumentation that any coin struck in the territory of modern Turkey is a Turkish coin is ridiculous.  Can a coin struck by Roman Imperial authorities in Constantinople (modern Istanbul) in the 320s AD, but found by a detectorist in England (where it had lain in the ground for approximately 16 1/2 centuries) be considered a Turkish coin?  Of course not.  What then is the implication for such an MOU on the many thousands of such coins on the market today? 

These same issues also apply to "Greek" coinage - much of which was struck in Turkey, as well as Byzantine and early Islamic.

Based on the above facts, I would advise the responsible authorities to take the time to investigate this matter carefully and take the results of such an investigation into consideration when developing or implementing any policy decisions.  Any professional numismatist can provide an extensive list of sources that delve into these matters in much more detail.

Thank you for your consideration.
 

 
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Re: Turkey & Tunisia Want Restrictive MoUs with US...
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2020, 09:51:01 pm »
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