Does anyone have more info on this Cretan coin?

[cicerokid]

This is a very interesting Cretan coin copying New Style which are thought to be produced not as a result of Lucullus but Crete siding with Mithradates Eupator Vl.

The symbol on this hard to see copy from Wroth is either Perseus or a Tyrannicide viz a viz the O Demos type.

I need a good picture- both sides if possible and any write up on it beyond Wroth c 1900!

Really interesting!

Happy New Year!

[Pekka K]

Mionnet sup.4 Pl VIII shows this:

Pekka K

BnF: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b85708712?rk=10557992;0

[cicerokid]

Pekka K,

Thanks very much!
Your a star.

Talking of which it is thought that Crete and Kydonia were pro-Mithridates ( there is a AE with star and crescent)

What do you think the symbol is? Perseus or a Tyrinnicide of O Demos fame...that's where I' heading!

Regards
John and  Happy New Year!

[Altamura]

This type is depicted in J. Svoronos, "Numismatique de la Crète ancienne", Paris 1890, on plate X as number 11:
https://archive.org/details/SvoronosNumismatiqueDeLaCrteAncienne/page/n373
and described on pages 109-110 as number 79:
https://archive.org/details/SvoronosNumismatiqueDeLaCrteAncienne/page/n115

Svoronos calls the person on the reverse "Zeus Cretagenes" and refers among others to Mionnet.

There is an article by Georges Le Rider, "Un groupe de monnaies crétoises à types athéniens", in Humanisme actif, Mélanges Julien Cain, Paris, 1968, p. 313-335, which seems not to be available online and is cited often in connection with new style tetradrachms and their Cretan imitations.

You find a bit on this coinage here on slides 4.16 ff.:
https://www.academia.edu/33769221/Le_koinon_cr%C3%A9tois_au_premier_si%C3%A8cle_de_la_domination_romaine_dans_l%C3%AEle_entre_audace_et_loyalisme
where the person is identified as Zeus Kretagenes as well.

Some information about this coinage is given also in this article by Stephanaki: https://www.academia.edu/2422054/V.E._Stefanaki_La_politique_mon%C3%A9taire_des_cit%C3%A9s_cr%C3%A9toises_%C3%A0_l_%C3%A9poque_classique_et_hell%C3%A9nistique_
together with some more references.

Another specimen is part of the collection of the ANS: http://numismatics.org/collection/1967.152.365

Hope this helps a bit,

Regards

Altamura

[cicerokid]

Altamura,

Great work!

Zeus Cretagenes eh! based on a coin reverse from the time of Titus.

But on the New Style copy he appears to have a Chlamys(?) not an eagle.

Considering the times could this be a syncretism of Zeus Cretagenes and Perseus to fuse native characteristics with one of Mithridates?

I think I will ask Prof. DeCallatay for his opinion and maybe Andrew Meadows.

Makes you think!

Thank you for your efforts and, Happy new year.

Regards

John.

[cicerokid]

Changed my mind.

It is a version of Zeus Cretagenes probably based on a lost statue as indicated.

Thanks for all your help folks!