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Offline OldMoney

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Edward I Silver Penny - Error / Legend Variant
« on: October 12, 2019, 07:09:56 pm »
I have a question for our British Hammered Penny experts out there,
regarding this Edward I Penny.

It appears to have a somewhat blundered obverse legend, something
like: ER'ANG ANG DNS HYB (EDWAR mistakenly carved as ER'ANG), with
an unusual combination of normal and reversed N's, as well as barred
and unbarred A's.
The reverse, indicating London mint, also showed reversed N's and an
unbarred A.

Is anyone familiar with this error? Do you think it is official? Thoughts?

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Re: Edward I Silver Penny - Error / Legend Variant
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2019, 02:57:45 am »
Not my area but it’s  likely an imitation, which are a comprehensive series in their own right:

https://www.sterlingimitations.com/

The site includes an extensive set of references, but not sure about photos and identification help

Good luck!

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Re: Edward I Silver Penny - Error / Legend Variant
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2019, 10:59:44 pm »
Spink 2007 Coins of England & the United Kingdom has this comment in the Edward I section:

"The provincial mints were again employed for a subsidiary re-coinage in 1300 in order to re-mint lightweight coins and the many illegal esterlings (foreign copies of the English pennies, mainly from the Low Countries), which were usually of poorer quality that the English coins."

English Hammered Coinage, vol. 2 by J.J. North says this in the Edward I section (p. 19):

"There are are also a large number of foreign imitations and forgeries of this series (Pollards, Crockards, Lushbournes, etc.). Those which bear the same bust and inscriptions as English coins can usually be detected by the blundered legends and light weight or base metal."

So that is likely the origin of this coin. Still a very nice and interesting coin.

Out of curiosity, what is the weight?

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Re: Edward I Silver Penny - Error / Legend Variant
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2019, 01:20:30 pm »
Hi,
In my small Forum gallery of Edward pennies I have eight continental immitations.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=6116

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Re: Edward I Silver Penny - Error / Legend Variant
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2019, 05:58:44 pm »
Thank you to Merinda, Callimachus, and Mauseus,

That is all excellent information. I think that sums things up fairly well, though not
without a few questions, and whatever the precise origin and circumstance of its
production, I think it is a most interesting item.
Part of me still wants to hold out for a die match, or a recent sale of a comparable
item, but that is probably far too much to ask for!

FYI In my web-travels, I also found this site:
"Early Edwardian Pennies"
https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwardian-Pennies/Edwardian%20Pennies%20P1.htm
which has some good information, and decent images.

Out of curiosity, what is the weight?

Callimachus, Weight is 1.34g, diameter is 19.5mm

Mauseus, that is a great gallery - thank you for sharing.

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