Gordianus III., VICTORIA AVG, RIC 5, Roma or RIC 202, Antioch?

[quadrans]

Gordianus III., VICTORIA AVG, RIC 5, Roma or RIC 202, Antioch?

I'm a little bit confused, this Gordianus III. Antoninianus, RIC 5, Roma or RIC 202, Antioch?

072 Gordianus III. (238-244 A.D.), RIC IV-III 202, AR-Antoninianus, Antioch(?), VICTORIA AVG, Victory walking left, #1
avers: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG, Radiate bust right, draped and cuirassed.
reverse: VICTORIA AVG, Victory walking left with wreath and palm branch.
exergue:-/-//--, diameter: 21,0-22,5mm, weight: 4,16g, axis: 10h,
mint: Antioch(?), date: 241 A.D.(?), ref: RIC IV-III 202, RSC-,

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-153769



Thank you for your help,

Regards

Joe/Q.

[curtislclay]

Mint of Rome in my opinion.

[quadrans]

Thank you, Curtis,

Regards

Joe/Q.

[Callimachus]

Here is a link to one from Antioch that is in my gallery.

   https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-91933

[quadrans]

It is a nice coin, Callimachus,

Thank you for your help...

Joe/Q.

[quadrans]

It is OK now,

I finally finished the description:

072 Gordianus III. (238-244 A.D.), RIC IV-III 005, AR-Antoninianus, Roma, VICTORIA AVG, Victory walking left, #1
avers: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG, Radiate bust right, draped and cuirassed.
reverse: VICTORIA AVG, Victory walking left with wreath and palm branch.
exergue:-/-//--, diameter: 21,0-22,5mm, weight: 4,16g, axis: 10h,
mint: Roma, date: 238 A.D., 1st Issue, 6th officina, ref: RIC IV-III 5, RSC 357, Sear-8664,

Thanks for your help, really appreciate it...

Regards

Joe/Q.

[suarez]

I agree with Curtis. The style is a little 'stiff' so I can see why the doubt but if someone put a gun to my head I'd wager on Rome. Here is a similar one http://www.coryssa.org/1935747 which I also think is probably Roman and a second one http://www.coryssa.org/1471364 which probably is from Antioch.

These borderline cases are problematic, I think, for many numismatists.

[quadrans]

Thanks, Suarez,...

That was a basic of my confusion...

Regards

Q.

[Callimachus]

Quote from Suarez: "Here is a similar one http://www.coryssa.org/1935747 which I also think is probably Roman and a second one http://www.coryssa.org/1471364 which probably is from Antioch."

Actually, I think both coins are from Antioch.

I agree it is sometimes hard to tell the difference. But on Gordian's antoniniani I look at the obverse lettering. Lettering on coins from Rome is fairly small and neat. There are spaces between the letters. See original coin posted here.  Obverse lettering on coins from Antioch is large and crowded. The letters are very close together, and even seems to encroach on the portrait a bit.

I know this is not always true: Antioch can sometimes have Roman-style lettering, but I have not seen these large crowded letters on a coin from Rome.

Hope this helps some.

[curtislclay]

Actually, I think both coins are from Antioch.

I too would attribute both of these examples to Antioch.

[quadrans]

Thank you again, Callimachus and Curtis, 

Your notes, help me to find the differences...

Regards

Joe/Q.

[Chut]

Hello,
Your coin seems to be a modern fake, from Eastern Europe.
Regards

[quadrans]

Hi, Chut,

Why do you thinking about it

Have you some resource to be sure

Thank you if you have it...

Q.

[Chut]

The style of your coin is ugly, really different from authentic Rome mint styles (or Antioch mint styles) used during the reign of Gordian III.

And the style of your coin is similar of some modern fakes, which has been sold during last years.

For instance, the reverse of your coin is from the same die that this modern fake coin shown here (in Fake Reports, added in 2011) :

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-10606

[quadrans]

Thank you, Chut, I look for the fake coin report now,

and the reverse look similar it is true, but I have this coin for more than 8 years, and this is looking struck not cast,

but, as I mentioned at initially I hesitated and frustrating to identify this ...

till now the problem, I do not know, what was the source, of this coin, I do not find it, maybe it was a gift from someone...

because I always registered the sources...

It is the shame , If you are right,

Thank you for your notes!

 Regards

 Q.

p.s.

 Any other of you have some additional notes

 Q.

[Chut]

Hello,

Here, another fake with the same reverse die (but a different obverse die) :
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=119281.0

You should to follow the link given by Tibsi, and to read the article "Detailed analysis exposes imitations of antoniniani of Gordian III" (by Marvin Tameanko). Those things could have been sold since early 90s.

Regards

[quadrans]

It is OK, Chut, 

Thank you, the info...

Regards

Q.

[quadrans]

I put the coin, to my Modern Imitation and Fake... Gallery:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-153769

Regards

Q.

[Joe Sermarini]

Fake coin report please.

[quadrans]

Happened...

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=-45&pos=0

Joe/Q.