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« on: August 10, 2019, 10:51:47 am »

Having done a lot of searching for something similar, I thought I'd put this pair to the group for your opinions and assistance.

This die-matched pair are clearly what may be termed Barbarous/Celtic/Eastern/etc., but I cannot find a direct prototype or comparative example. Nor can I find a more positive attribution for them, except that they are 'unofficial' Alexanders.

Both show a stylised Head of Herakles on the obverse, and the standard Zeus enthroned holding eagle and sceptre on the reverse. Weights: 16.49g (upper), 16.54g (lower). Both share the same field symbol, a reversed Sigma (Σ), and a fairly accurate rendering of the name 'Alexander' (AΛEΞANΔΡOΥ).

Whether these are Danubian, Eastern Celts, Arabian, or from some other origin has so far escaped my searching, including a number of publications, and various online resources such as acsearch, wildwinds, the 'Pella' database, and various other auction, sales and museum sites.

I expect there is another coin out there with this same obverse die, but in spite of finding a few that are close I am yet to find a match.

Can you help with any part of this search?
Die(s)? Origin? Reference? Prototype? . . . Thoughts?

- Walter
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2019, 06:52:44 pm »

Weights?  I think both may be Celtic imitations from the Balkans.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2019, 01:45:34 am »

... Weights?  ...
Is indicated above ("16.49g (upper), 16.54g (lower)")  Wink.

For these contemporary imitations you don't always find an exactly matching prototype. Even in the Price itself there are listed some under the headline "uncertain prototypes"  Undecided.

There is a huge number of these imitations in many many variations. And up to now there seems to be no comprehensive study about them  Sad.

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2019, 05:57:41 am »

My apologies--I completely missed the weights when I read you post too hastily.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2019, 11:09:21 am »

Hi Mac,
I have done the same thing myself too many times to count - I am sure we all have!
I keep looking at Danubian examples which have similar scrunched-up facial features
but cannot be certain because of similarity alone.
It may be that there is no 'prototype' as such, and this is a stand-alone variant of the
imitation. Still, it would be nice to find a die-match, but until that happens I will wait,
and see what comes up at the next auction/catalogue/post/find/etc.
Best wishes,

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2019, 04:00:34 pm »

Walter,

It seems to me that I have the same of similar reverse with the big sigma in the field, but I cannot remember or find where.  If these are initiations as I believe they are, they must be early as they are quite good.
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