Athens New Style-The first 5 years

[cicerokid]

The beginning of a coinage is always a thrill to a real collector and in the Athens New Style this marks a real break with the previous dumpy types.These spread flan wreath bearing coins are thought to be in date order and yearly: the first 4 issues were all found together in the Anthedon hoard, the fifth is now known from 4 examples this one being the only one in a private collection.
Who cannot love the New Styles!

[Brennos]

Great coins !!
could we see the obverses ?

[Jay GT4]

Yes please!

[Molinari]

Excellent set.  When did these first get issued?

[Molinari]

I see also that the earlier ones are less “busy” on the reverse than what I’m used to seeing.

[cicerokid]

Obverses probably next week.

Meanwhile a poor photograph of a 55 Parliament of Owls reverses has been placed in The Members' Gallery yesterday

You can see how busy the reverses get. This was Peter Thoneman's complaint, but prosopopography is useful wherever you may find it whereas monograms are essentially useless and in only a few can a reasonable name be confidently teased out. A good example of this is the extracting of Markoy Tamoiy from the pseudo-Athenian New Style Sullan type ll monograms by ESG Robinson viz, Marcus Lucullus ,Treasurer, the brother of the more famous Licinius Lucullus both of whom were with Sulla in 86 BC.This type of coin was referred to in historical sources as "Lucullan".

[Carausius]

Teriffic group, Cic. 

[djmacdo]

Wow!  Spectacular condition as well as style.

[Dino]

Beautiful additions!

[cicerokid]

Nobody knows for sure when the New Styles started. Lewis, Mattingly and Meadows go for c 164/3 BC.That has become popular.

[cicerokid]

Another popular representation is that certainly, at times, the Athens New Style is a Roman proxy coinage. This whole subject, ( of Roman proxy coinages) is dealt with by DeCallatay recently but pioneered by Giovanini. Rome demands and they bleed silver-so it seems and the Thracians bury it cos they don't know what to do with it or copy it in so many interesting styles.

[Dino]

John-

What do you mean by Roman Proxy Coinage?

If its too much to explain, I'd appreciate you pointing be to a source or two to look at.

THanks,

Dino

[cicerokid]

DeCallatay, F.,” More than it would seem: The use of coinage by the Romans in late Hellenistic Asia Minor (133-63 BC)”. American Journal of Numismatics 23 2011.

Available on academia.edu

The coinages struck for the Romans in Hellenistic Greece:
a quantified overview (mid 2nd–mid 1st c. BCE)

DeCallatay  on academia.edu

Giovannini, A.”La circulation monetaire en Grece sous le protectorat de Rome”. Annali dell’Istituto italiano di numismatica 29 1982

Giovannini, A, ”Rome et la circulation monetaire en Grece au Ile siècle avant Jesus- Christ” Basle 1978


The top one is simpler!

Regards

John

[cicerokid]

FRANÇOIS DECALLATAŸ

ARMIES POORLY PAID IN COINS (THE ANABASIS OFTHE TEN-THOUSANDS) AND COINS FOR SOLDIERS POORLY TRANSFORMED BY THE MARKETS(THE HELLENISTIC THASIAN-TYPE TETRADRACHMS)IN ANCIENT GREECE

on academia. Search for Fracoise De Callatay

Hence my quip about the Thracians not knowing what to do with coins- they just bury them...cf the dwarfs in Snow White in the diamond mine....#we don't know what we dig them for we just dig a dig a dig all day............#

[Dino]

Thanks.  I'll take a look.

Dino