Caracalla, Phrygia, Hadrianopolis-Sebaste, BMC 4 (?), AE-21,

[quadrans]

Caracalla, Phrygia, Hadrianopolis-Sebaste, BMC 4 (?), AE-21,

I have this Caracalla coin from Phrygia, Hadrianopolis-Sebaste.

The BMC 4 and SNG Cop 407, described "Laureate, draped and cuirassed..."
I do not find like this "Radiate and cuirassed..." (like my coin) bust in any reference...

Any help is appreciated.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-154867

051p Caracalla (196-198 A.D. Caesar, 198-217 A.D. Augustus ), Phrygia, Hadrianopolis-Sebaste, BMC 4 (?), AE-21, AΔPIA•APX•ΠOTЄITO/V, Tyche standing left, Rare! #1
avers: •M•AV•AN TωNЄIN, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the back.
reverse: AΔPIA•AP X•ΠOTЄITO/V, Tyche in a long robe and with Kalathos standing left, holding rudder and cornucopiae.
exergue: -/-//--, diameter: 21,0mm, weight: 5,52g, axis:6h,
mint: Phrygia, Hadrianopolis-Sebaste, Magistrate Poteitos., date: 198-217 A.D.,
ref: BMC 4 (? Radiate !), SNG Cop 407(? Radiate!).
Ex: "Münzen & Medaillen GmbH (DE), Auction 22, Lot-1283, 24.05.2007"



Regards

Joe/Q.

[okidoki]

Very nice Joe,

do you picture them self?

[quadrans]

Very nice Joe,

do you picture them self?

Yes,   always,  

Joe

and...

 Thank you, Eric,  

Joe

[okidoki]

nice picturing

[shanxi]

The radiate bust is very unusual. No radiate bust for Caracalla  at ISEGRIM, BnF, Mantis Coins, acsearch, asia minor coins, Berliner Münzkabinett

[quadrans]

Hi, Ralf,

Thank you,

Yes I find so many examples with laureate busts, but not the radiate,  , that was the source of my question, 

Maybe unpublished 

Regards

Joe

[shanxi]

I forgot. I found your coin, sold in 2007.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=377351

You should send it to RPC.

[quadrans]

Yes, it is my coin, but I bought it later, not from this Auction,  

I will send the RPC soon, Thank you again..

Joe

[Altamura]

In the description of the acsearch link given by Shanxi above there is mentioned a reference "IW 6069" which is the "Inventaire sommaire de la collection Waddington" by Ernest Babelon: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k399052q/f391.image
Unfortunately the description of the obverse just says "Caracalla" and not more  .

But there is a book by Achim Lichtenberger, "Severus Pius Augustus. Studien zur sakralen Repräsentation und Rezeption der Herrschaft des Septimius Severus und seiner Familie (193–211 n. Chr.)" where he says on page 236 "Auch eine Bronze von Hadrianopolis zeigt auf der Vorderseite Caracalla mit Strahlenkrone." ("Also a coin from Hadrianopolis shows on the obverse a radiate Caracalla"). And here he refers to Coll. Waddington 6069.

The coin itself (Waddington 6069) is now in the BnF and can be seen here: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8526966k
It is hard to see whether the head is radiate or not, but the rest does match. So this is probably the type of the coin presented here.

Regards

Altamura

Edit: I forgot the link to the book  : https://books.google.de/books?id=WpkEL0D_hroC&lpg=PA236&ots=VD_sLpAW5R&dq=caracalla%20strahlenkrone%20bronze%20hadrianopolis&hl=de&pg=PA236#v=onepage&q=caracalla%20strahlenkrone%20bronze%20hadrianopolis&f=false

[shanxi]

The coin itself (Waddington 6069) is now in the BnF and can be seen here: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8526966k
It is hard to see whether the head is radiate or not, but the rest does match. So this is probably the type of the coin presented here.

I see no trace of a radiate crown, and looking for the letters (size and position) and the loops of  band of the laurel wreath, this is very likely a obverse die match with this laureate example:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5486813

[Altamura]

... this is very likely a obverse die match with this laureate example:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5486813
...

You are right, and on the coin from Roma Numismatics there is clearly no radiate crown. So Lichtenberger was wrong  .

Regards

Altamura

[quadrans]

Thank you again, Ralf, and Altamura, I also realized that coin does not have Radiate bust...

Another Interesting question, the bust is draped and cuirassed or cuirassed only?

Regards

 Joe