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Offline djmacdo

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A puzzling overstrike
« on: April 18, 2019, 09:42:21 pm »
The following coin appeared in a recent auction.  The overtype is a stater or Azbaal of Kition on Cyprus, but I am unable to identify the host coin, despite the fairly substantial remains of the type.  Any suggests would be gratefully received:

 

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Re: A puzzling overstrike
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Re: A puzzling overstrike
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2019, 03:19:29 am »
We have three things:
1: a ring of pearls around
2: another straight line of pearls
3: Parts of a mane ? (boar, lion, horse, crested helmet...)

e.g. I think a forepart of a boar could be another possibilty. As an example a Kuprilli stater.

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Re: A puzzling overstrike
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2019, 01:19:45 pm »
Hi Mac,

This seems to be another of the same, but it appears to show an undertype
as a forepart of a horse (or much less likely, a pegasus).

The reverse undertype appears to be a reclining quadruped (lion, ram, deer?),
perhaps with a lot more detail going on as well (and it may not be the same
as on your piece).

Maybe one of these will trigger someone's memory and point you toward a
better answer (it looks somewhat familiar to me, but I just cannot place it!).

Good luck!

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Re: A puzzling overstrike
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2019, 01:37:43 pm »
Walter,

Your second coin is struck over Amathus in Cyrpus--there are several like it known.  It is superficially similar, but I am afraid not the same.  I have tried, but just cannot get it to work!

The host coin has Obv.: Forepart of lion r.; rev.: lion crouching r. over double line, above eagle flying r.

Mac

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Re: A puzzling overstrike
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2019, 01:44:10 pm »
Arados,

Thanks for the suggestion--but I do not think it is quite the same.  The Lycian is in an incuse square, while the host coin on the questioned coin is in a beaded circle.  I have to check the weights too.  The Cypriot host coin of Azbaal is about 11 g.  I think you helped a lot with the orientation of the host coin--and if not exactly the Lycian you suggest, it may well be another similar one--it gives me direction to work on.

On with quest for an exact match!

Mac

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Re: A puzzling overstrike
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2019, 05:28:56 pm »
Water,

The more I look at the Amathus type, the more I think that you are right.  It would make good sense too, since there are three other Azbaal over Amathus overstrikes.  I just did not have the host coin correctly oriented--and, perhaps a sign of increasing age, it took me a bit of time to get my mind wrapped around your suggestion.

Thanks.

Mac

P.S.  I did not see this coin when it was up for auction and am sorry I missed it, particularly because it sold cheaply!

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Re: A puzzling overstrike
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2019, 05:37:52 pm »
Wow => congrats on scoring that great OP over-strike (it is amazingly interesting)

Oh, and fantastic thread additions by the the coin-crew (yah, this place is high-powered)

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Very cool thread

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Re: A puzzling overstrike
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2019, 09:16:12 pm »
I wish I had scored it--I did not even see it when it was up for auction.  I am, however, studying the overstrikes of Azbaal and Baalmelek II, kings of Kition.

Here is the Amathus type that Walter identified as the host coin--which I now believe is accurate:


 

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