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« on: September 11, 2018, 11:22:05 pm »

I recently received this fairly rare Vespasian dupondius. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-149367

Although the Victoria Navalis type is traditionally attributed to Vespasian's lone Jewish War 'naval' battle - I am a bit sceptical, although it's difficult to account for the type otherwise. Perhaps it being a general 'Our Lady Victory of the Fleet' Naval type (Mattingly) is closer to the truth?
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2018, 05:56:32 pm »

Lovely coin David. I really like the reverse.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2018, 05:29:29 am »

Thank you Andrew for the kind words. It's quite a treat to hold such a rarity in hand.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2018, 07:31:01 am »

Wow! ... David, that baby is amazing!

It's a very rugged looking coin ... I love it, congrats!

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Oh, but hopefully you'll release it from its plastic tomb? (cheers, either way)
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2018, 04:21:15 pm »

Vespasian owed the army and navy an enormous debt for winning the civil war and making him emperor. I include the navy because at times they played an important background role. If there's no specific reference to Judea, I put them down as general military types.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2018, 04:47:57 pm »

Wow! ... David, that baby is amazing!

It's a very rugged looking coin ... I love it, congrats!

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Oh, but hopefully you'll release it from its plastic tomb? (cheers, either way)

Thanks Steve. And yes, the coin has been freed!

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2018, 04:56:50 pm »

Vespasian owed the army and navy an enormous debt for winning the civil war and making him emperor. I include the navy because at times they played an important background role. If there's no specific reference to Judea, I put them down as general military types.

I lean in that direction too, although it must be noted even the highly respected Josephus historian Steve Mason attributes the coin type to the Lake Gennesaret naval battle.
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2018, 06:32:15 pm »

Great coin David.  I believe these are Judaea Capta types.  

According to Mason, "The small frieze on the arch beneath the architrave depicts a river-god image, seeming to confirm that the Flavians made an issue of naval victory in the Judaean War itself...... To look more Pompeian-Augustan, it seems, the Flavians either greatly magnified the lopsided lake skirmish or simply fabricated a real naval victory."

Here's one of mine -

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-101802
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2018, 06:12:36 am »


Very nice!
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2018, 09:51:55 pm »

Cha-Ching!!

That's awesome David => 100%

Ummm, the coin loves you for freeing it!

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