need Constantine coin images for college thesis

[Claudiu P]

Hi everybody,
I am writing for your help.
Madden wrote in 1877 (https://books.google.ro/books?id=ggEFAAAAQAAJ&dq=Numismatic%20Chronicle%20Journal%20Numismatic%20Society&hl=ro&pg=RA2-PA242#v=onepage&q=Numismatic%20Chronicle%20Journal%20Numismatic%20Society&f=false) that there are 4 coins which I need for illustrating my college thesis:
- coin 1
-- no mention of mint
-- obv CONSTANTINVS P F AVG or IMP CONSTANTINVS AVG
-- rev MARTI CONSERVATORI: the bust of Mars with helmet adorned with monogram
- coin 2
-- PTR in exergue
-- obv IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
-- rev MARTI PATRI CONSERVATORI, showing Mars helmeted, standing holding spear, and loaning on a shield on which  ; in the field to the right A ; to the left S.
- coin 3
-- RP in exergue
-- obv IMP C CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
-- rev SOLI INVICTO COMITI showing naked figure with cloak over right shoulder, crowned with rays, standing looking to the left, raising the right hand, and holding in the left a globe, in the field to left  .
- coin 4
- no mention of mint
- obs CONSTANTINVS MAX AVG
- rev GLORIA EXERCITVS. Just one soldier standing facing, looking to the right, leaning on a spear and a shield; in the field to left a cross

If anybody has these coin images or knows where to find any of them, I would be most thankful!

servus,
Claudiu

[Flav V]

http://www.nummus-bible-database.com
https://www.acsearch.info

[Claudiu P]

Thank your message Flav! Really appreciate the help!
I tried those databases and came out empty

[Vincent]

Victor Clark has an article that may help
http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/symbols/

Mr. Clark also did his thesis on Constantine coins


http://www.academia.edu/20585662/CONSTANTINE_THE_GREAT_THE_COINS_SPEAK

Perhaps you can reach him here or via his website...he maybe able to help.

[Flav V]

I dnt find those coins too.
I would like to see those coins. Im working on chrisitans symbols on coins.

[Claudiu P]

Victor Clark has an article that may help
http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/symbols/
Mr. Clark also did his thesis on Constantine coins
http://www.academia.edu/20585662/CONSTANTINE_THE_GREAT_THE_COINS_SPEAK
Perhaps you can reach him here or via his website...he maybe able to help.

Thanks you very much for your advice Vincent!
I searched his site and didn't find those coins, but I will write to him. Flav, I will let you know if I make any progress.

[Flav V]

Thank you,

[*Alex]

I thought that I had one of these (the last coin on your list) but mine has an S not a cross in the left field.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143549

Have you tried searching through the members' galleries? It is surprising what coins you can find lurking in them.

Alex

[Dominic T]

Hi. Did you search in coinproject ?
DT

[Claudiu P]

I thought that I had one of these (the last coin on your list) but mine has an S not a cross in the left field.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143549
Have you tried searching through the members' galleries? It is surprising what coins you can find lurking in them.
Alex

Thank you, Alex! That is a great idea, I shall rummage those galleries.
Best of luck,
Claudius

[Claudiu P]

Hi. Did you search in coinproject ?
DT

I appreciate your message, Dominic, thanks for getting involved!
Unfortunately, I extensively searched that database (which is the only one I found with the option to search by observe or revers legends) but to no avail.

[Claudiu P]

Thank you,

Hi Flav
I may have found the first coin I was looking for:
http://www.coinproject.com/siteimages/142-Z7479LG.jpg

[Aleph]

Have you checked http://numismatics.org/ocre/?  There is an extensive database of museum images here.  You should also check the ans database, http://numismatics.org/search/department/Roman.

[Flav V]

Claudiu P,
Thanks for the link,
I see no christian symbol. Only a star on the helmet. What do you think about this coin?

[Heliodromus]

The only one of these that is possibly a Christian symbol is coin 4.

1) The symbol on Mar's helmet is a star, typically 8-pointed, sometimes 6-pointed

2) This type dates to 307-308, before Constantine's supposed conversion. I've never seen one with a star-type design (normal depiction seems to be of inside of shield, not outside where the design would be), but at this date it would be a solar symbol if it exists.

3) The symbol is an 8-pointed star (RIC VI Rome 377)

4) This is RIC VII Aquileia 124, dating to 334-335. The symbol may be a crucifix-type cross, although it often has the form of a "T" with a dot/ball on top. It'd not be surprising to see a Christian mintmark at this date (at the same date Arles was using an unmistakable Chi-Rho), but I'm not sure this one is a slam dunk.

Ben

[Flav V]

You consider the star as christian symbol?

[Heliodromus]

You consider the star as christian symbol?

No - I don't see any evidence of that. It seems (up to this time at least) to be a Solar symbol.

For example, on Maxentius's Conserv Vrb Save type from Aquileia you can see via the distinct (pediment symbol, officina) pairings that the star symbol was considered different than the cross.

Ben

[Claudiu P]

The only one of these that is possibly a Christian symbol is coin 4.
1) The symbol on Mar's helmet is a star, typically 8-pointed, sometimes 6-pointed
2) This type dates to 307-308, before Constantine's supposed conversion. I've never seen one with a star-type design (normal depiction seems to be of inside of shield, not outside where the design would be), but at this date it would be a solar symbol if it exists.
3) The symbol is an 8-pointed star (RIC VI Rome 377)
4) This is RIC VII Aquileia 124, dating to 334-335. The symbol may be a crucifix-type cross, although it often has the form of a "T" with a dot/ball on top. It'd not be surprising to see a Christian mintmark at this date (at the same date Arles was using an unmistakable Chi-Rho), but I'm not sure this one is a slam dunk.
Ben

Dear Ben,
Thank your very much for your insights! I feel you speak with authority. I am inclined to agree with you on the matter. Without the rho, the supposed monogram on coins 1-3 cannot be differentiated from a star or a control symbol.

[Claudiu P]

Have you checked http://numismatics.org/ocre/?  There is an extensive database of museum images here.  You should also check the ans database, http://numismatics.org/search/department/Roman.

Thanks for the tip Aleph! I will go at it right now.

[Claudiu P]

@ all
what do you think? Is that a cross or the X from ”exercitvs”?

[Robert_Brenchley]

It looks like a swastika to me but it's an X.

[Flav V]

The tool used for engraving letters always let this shape at the end of letters. Here, on the X the shape is accentuate with wear.

[Claudiu P]

@ Robert and Flav

I too think it is an X (control sign or emission sign).
The only thing that bothers me is that this X is seems to stand out or apart from the other letters both in size and in ware, as if its maker intended something with it.

[Flav V]

It is only the wear and patina who give this visual. If you look at R of exercitus it dont look like R but a degenerate P.

[Carausius]

It looks like a swastika to me but it's an X.

I had exactly the same reaction.   It is certainly part of the inscription, though the serifs give a swastika-like appearance.  I think it's just luck of wear, corrosion, and possibly a bit of remaining silvering, that cause the X to stand out.  A control symbol or other symbol would be placed in the fields or exergue, not disguised within the inscription.