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Offline Cliff

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Antinous hemidrachm
« on: August 07, 2018, 06:54:21 pm »
On sell as authentic by a professional seller not specialist in ancient coins, only the diameter is given which is 27mm. It should be then an hemidrachm.

The photos are not very good but the reverse is very suspicious to me for the style and the letters below the horse wrongly distributed.

Also the obverse a bit too soft in details and reliefs. I suspect it is a cast fake.
Which is your opinion on it?


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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2018, 11:58:23 pm »
I do not see anything unusual with the style relative to other examples I could find.

It is a precise match to this specimen on RPC Online: http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/6074/

What troubles me is that:

1. There appeared to have been some initial doubts about the example on PRC Online, which clicking on the image, shows it to be from BnF.

2. Your coin appears to match the coin in more ways than a die match on the reverse, look at the positions on the edge splits. There appear to be some differences on the obverse however but very similar.

Thus, it would appear to me that your coin could be a cast copy of another one.
If I am correct in this assessment, then does this cast further doubt on the authenticity of the BnF coin...?

Or I could be way off as really hard to be certain from the photos.

Peter

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 02:36:29 am »
I the Paris specimen is possibly a cast fake

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 02:48:02 am »
I the Paris specimen is possibly a cast fake

Thanks Din X and Peterpil for pointing out at the Paris specimen.
So both coins (this new one and the Paris specimen) could be cast copy of the first coin published by Din X?
Which is the provenance/pedigree/museum location of the first coin published by Din X for comparison?

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2018, 02:59:12 am »

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2018, 04:45:35 am »
The evidence is very compelling.

What an unexpected finding during an attempt to answer your initial question!

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2018, 09:45:41 am »
The cracks on the BNF coin seem to have been filled in, yes it appears to be a cast copy. I wonder what BNF have for provenance on this particular coin.

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2018, 09:51:45 am »
The cracks on the BNF coin seem to have been filled in, yes it appears to be a cast copy. I wonder what BNF have for provenance on this particular coin.

the have it also in doubt

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/6074/
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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2018, 10:03:40 am »
Quote from: okidoki on August 08, 2018, 09:51:45 am
The cracks on the BNF coin seem to have been filled in, yes it appears to be a cast copy. I wonder what BNF have for provenance on this particular coin.

the have it also in doubt

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/6074/

Understood, but what i meant was. I wonder how far back the provenance goes on this coin, it might give us a clue to when is was produced (if cast).

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2018, 10:09:41 am »
In the meantime I have added a fake coin report for this, also because the coin has been sold at almost 1300 Eur....

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-19459

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2018, 02:26:34 pm »
We need a Fake Coin Report for the BnF coin too. 
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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2018, 09:40:24 pm »
Done,

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Re: Antinous hemidrachm
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2018, 10:17:45 pm »
Thanks Peter.
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