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Offline PtolemAE

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Crowd-Sourcing Search for a Mystery Ptolemaic Coin Type
« on: July 12, 2018, 07:46:32 pm »
Wanted: Svoronos 1387 - A mystery 'ghost' coin type - And a challenge to all who are interested in Ptolemaic bronze coins...

The photo here is Svoronos 1238, a little 2nd C. BC Ptolemaic bronze coin type with Isis on the obverse and the 'head-reverted' eagle on the reverse (with a fileted cornucopiae at the eagle's right shoulder). It's a pretty common type, about 18mm diameter and about 4.25 grams weight. Svoronos also catalogued a nearly identical type (Sv 1387) with a PI-A monogram to the left of the eagle (letter 'A' inscribed inside/under a letter 'PI', as seen on very common Sv 1384 and some others). If anyone can verify that there actually is such a coin type it will be gratefully acknowledged in an upcoming publication. No verifiable specimens have been found and Svoronos, alas, did not illustrate any. Several that Svoronos listed have been checked and found to *not* have the monogram. So far Sv 1387 is a 'ghost' - so let us know if you can verify that one even really exists. We haven't been able to check the two specimens that Svoronos listed as being in Munich. If you have access to the Staatsmuseum Munchen collection maybe you can check if there really are two specimens of Sv 1387 there.

Svoronos also listed one (the appendix part of Svoronos) in Athens, 'Roostovic 142'. If someone following this topic has access there or can visit the Athens museum maybe that coin can be seen. Two more are listed in Svoronos's appendix as 'without monogram' - a telling detail. Svoronos was even confused enough to include specimens that don't match his own description of the type.

The idea here is to 'crowd-source' the search for a mysterious coin type that has fooled scholars for a century and might not even really exist... Thanks for your help.  What you're looking for is a coin like the one seen here, but with a little PI-A monogram in the field to the eagle's left.  

So.... Here's the challenge ... Public congratulations and acknowlegment in an upcoming paper to anyone who can unequivocally demonstrate and verify that Sv 1387 is actually a real coin type.

Maybe this is the first 'crowd-sourced' search for a mystery coin type that may be a 'ghost' (or a snark hunt, if you prefer Lewis Carroll :).  

Thanks!

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Re: Crowd-Sourcing Search for a Mystery Ptolemaic Coin Type
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2018, 07:57:15 pm »
Well, I have certainly never seen one.  The coin you illustrate is a pretty little thing!

 

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