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Offline David Atherton

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Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« on: January 24, 2018, 04:58:39 am »
My most recent acquisition with an interesting 'al marco' scrape.    https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143336

Please post any 'al marco' coins you have!

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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2018, 07:42:44 am »
Great coin David.  Love the rarity paired with the weight adjustment.  It's a 2 for 1.  I'm not sure I've ever seen that on so late a coin,  I'm only familiar with this occurrence on rupublican coins.

This one may be a weight adjusted denarius from the Republic.  I recently took a new pic of it and the details are in my gallery thread but here it is anyway.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142620

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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2018, 09:34:14 am »
Nice find.

My example is much heavier (3,52 gr), has different dies and bears no mark.

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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2018, 11:29:50 am »
Wonderful coin David. You are having a great year so far.

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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2018, 10:17:06 pm »
Thanks everyone for the kind comments!

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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2018, 03:35:26 am »
Congratulations David!

A fine addition to an already impressive Domitian collection.

Peter

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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2018, 05:03:53 am »
A really interesting coin. It raises questions about why this would so infrequently occur in this series. I know that it was common in Republican denarii and I have a few.

My nicest illustrated below:-

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135247



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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2018, 07:34:52 am »
Athens New Style 144/3 on the Low Chronology.

Around the mid-140's BC the New Style really took off for a while. Me thinks this likely Roman proxy coinage was to pay for troops or supplies and to replace the silver from the banned Macedonian silver mines. ( I think)

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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2018, 09:06:26 am »
A really interesting coin. It raises questions about why this would so infrequently occur in this series. I know that it was common in Republican denarii and I have a few.

That is the mystery for me as well. I can only guess that it may have something to do with the coin being struck during the first issue after Domitian's second coinage reform. Perhaps the mint workers were extra careful with the weight of the coins for this issue because of that reason?

Congratulations David!

A fine addition to an already impressive Domitian collection.

Peter

Thanks Peter!

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Re: Domitian 'Al Marco'?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2018, 05:40:18 am »
I continue to be open to the coin being overstruck on a Republican denarius with a deep gouge (Stannard Scoop).  These marks vary from shallow scrapes with almost no depth and several stutters to deeper pits caused by the tool being pointed more down than sideways.  To me, the likelihood of the tool used to be revived for one last use is less likely than the chance of a group of old denarii being recycled into current coinage.

 First below is a deep cut later caved in when a banker's mark was applied to the opposite side.  This just shows these marks come in all variations.

Second is a shallow scoop with several stutters that would have been erased had the coin be overstruck with any normal force.

Last is a mark not terribly different than what is on the Domitian which could have survived in part even if the low relief design were eliminated completely.


 

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