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« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2018, 03:56:39 pm »

OK. So the X would be on the obverse. That is good to know. Thank you.
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« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2018, 07:54:18 am »

Edward, the coin that you have, with the star above the shield and no mark to the left, indicates that the coin was struck in Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, and is cataloged as Pohl 117-45. My tentative conclusion that my coin with the unrecorded mintmark was probably struck at Nagybánya is based on the similarity between the star on my coin and the star mark identified in Pohl.

Thanks for the suggestion regarding the X/D mintmarks identified in Unger. I agree with Joe that Unger is referring to an entirely different set of marks. Apart from the placement of the marks, I imagine that the X identified in Unger does not correspond to a small five-pointed star.

If the mark to the left of the shield on my coin is a D, then it is a retrograde D (compare that mark to the D in SIG-ISmVnDI on the obverse of the coin). It may also be an E (compare that mark to the three occurrences of the letter E in REGIS VnGARIE ETC on the reverse of the coin). As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter E. Any thoughts?

I am hopeful that, when Joe's excellent series of books on Hungarian coinage reaches the issues of Charles Robert and subsequent reigns bearing mintmarks, the mintmarks that are not included in Huszar, Pohl and Unger are included and cataloged.

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« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2018, 07:57:37 am »

As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter E.

Correction. It should read: "As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter D." Stkp
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« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2018, 07:49:35 pm »

I added four denarii issued by Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg (King of Hungary 1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437), as king of Hungary, to my gallery this weekend. All are Huszár 576, Pohl 117-..., Unger 449..., Réthy II 121, Frynas H.27.40:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151814  Szomolnok/Schmöllnitz/now Smolnik, Slovakia, mint
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http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151815  Körmöcbánya/Kremnitz, now Kremnica, Slovakia, mint
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http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151816 
Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, mint
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http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151817 
Pécs mint.

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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2018, 10:51:31 pm »

Great!

Congratulation, Steve,  Thumbs Up

Nice coins, my favorite the "Szomolnok" mint  dotS dot

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« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2018, 07:31:53 am »

Joe,

The coin from the Szomolnok mint is the least well struck of the four, but is also my favorite. Last month I posted another of this type minted there, with the mark above the shield rather than between the cross-arms. I like this one better than that one. Although I am not aware of a rarity guide for these coins by mintmark, my impression is that the mark between the cross-arms is the less common.

The coinage of Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg were never amongst my favorites, but I am enjoying the numerous mintmarks presented by these coins.

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« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2018, 12:39:08 pm »

They are all very nice! Thumbs Up 
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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2018, 02:59:45 pm »

Thank you, Edward. Stkp
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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2018, 09:23:08 am »

I recently added to my gallery a very attractive denar minted under Maria/Mária (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg), without a mint mark. Huszár 569, Pohl 114-1, Unger 443a, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151889
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« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2018, 09:42:55 am »

Looks very nice and great detail! Thumbs Up
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« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2018, 09:54:14 am »

Yes, I agree, absolutely nice addition...

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« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2018, 11:38:47 pm »

Thank you both. Stkp
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« Reply #62 on: December 24, 2018, 08:14:43 am »

Great and interesting galleries, Stkp. I have enjoyed looking at them - you have many wonderful coins the majority of which I had never seen before.

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« Reply #63 on: December 24, 2018, 03:53:12 pm »

Thank you, Alex. Stkp
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« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2018, 05:14:14 pm »

I just added to my gallery a medieval Hungarian denar minted by Matthias/Mátyás Hunyadi ("Corvinus") (1458-1490) in 1489 in Körmöcbánya/Kremnitz, now Kremnica, Slovakia, by Peter Schaider, oberkammergraf. The coin is type Huszár 722, Pohl 223, Unger 567, Réthy II 232, Frynas 34.40, and falls within Subtype A of my classification of these coins in an old Celator article:
 
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152148

This coin is particularly interesting to me because the mintmark (O/P/rosette) is rare and unrecorded (a similar mark, P/rosette without the O, is recorded as Pohl 223-1, Unger 567b&e). I have not been able to add a new Madonna denar issued by Matthias/Mátyás Hunyadi to my collection in several years. It is a fitting last coin of the year for me, and I made it the subject of a new New Year's thread. I am adding it here, too, as I post all my medieval Hungarian acquisitions here.

Happy New Year to all!

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« Reply #65 on: January 01, 2019, 03:17:13 am »

Interesting, the circle over the P are not usual !!

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« Reply #66 on: January 01, 2019, 01:22:44 pm »

Nice one! Thumbs Up
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« Reply #67 on: January 01, 2019, 02:14:00 pm »

Thank you Joe and Edward. Stkp
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« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2019, 08:30:52 pm »

I recently added to my gallery a denar issued by Charles Robert/Károly Róbert (1307-1342) with a really nice dragon on the reverse: Huszár 488, Pohl 45, Unger 385, Réthy II 44, Frynas 24.39: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152157
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« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2019, 12:39:10 pm »

I really like this one! Thumbs Up
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« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2019, 01:20:03 pm »

Thanks, Edward. That dragon does have eye appeal. Stkp
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« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2019, 01:20:42 pm »

I recently added to my gallery a denar issued by Charles Robert/Károly Róbert (1307-1342) with a really nice dragon on the reverse: Huszár 488, Pohl 45, Unger 385, Réthy II 44, Frynas 24.39: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152157
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I need to try to find where is mine... Wink Smiley Thumbs Up


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« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2019, 01:48:08 pm »

Quote from: quadrans on January 05, 2019, 01:20:42 pm
Great Dragon,  Wink Thumbs Up
I need to try to find where is mine... Wink Smiley Thumbs Up

I look forward to seeing it! Stkp
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« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2019, 06:48:10 am »

I recently added a number of medieval Hungarian coins to my gallery. The first of them, and the only significant acquisition, is a denar issued by Venzel/Wenceslaus Premyslid (1301-1305), a failed contender for the throne, who issued only a handful of types, none of which are common:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152593

The information on the dealer's flip indicates that, three dealers ago, the coin was lot 972 in Alex J. Malloy's March [?] 1984 catalog, from the St. George Tucker Collection. Henry St. George Tucker (1853-1932) was quite prominent (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=T000399), and I aspire to access the Malloy auction catalog in the hope that it indicates whether Henry was the collector, or whether the collector was just a namesake (perhaps his son or grandson), or other relative. I will be making another post asking for assistance locating and accessing this catalog.

The remaining seven new coins are all parvii (I think that is the correct plural for parvus) issued by Sigismund/Zsigmund of Luxembourg (1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437). These are small, generally poorly-struck coins, and the designs on them leave a lot to be desired. They differ only in respect to the mintmarks. The first few bear recorded mintmarks:

1. An monogram to the left of the S over the shield, indicating that the moneyer was Ulrich Kamerer (per Pohl):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152676
2. A star to the right of the S over the shield, indicating that the coin was minted at Nagybánya, now Baia Mare, Romania (per Pohl):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152677
3. A letter n in the upper cross arms on the reverse, also indicating that the coin was minted at Nagybánya, now Baia Mare, Romania (per Pohl):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152738
4. A letter I in the upper cross arms on the reverse, the meaning of which is not known:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152737

If I am interpreting one of the coins correctly, it also bears a recorded mintmark. I am not 100% positive that the mark on the coin is a match with those depicted in Pohl (and Unger). Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated:
5. The letter m to the left of the S over the shield and what appears to be a stylized numeral 4 to the right of the S, indicating that the moneyer was Markus (possibly Armbauer) of Nürnberg and that the coin was minted in 1404-1405 (per Pohl):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152678

The final two coins bear mint marks that are not recorded by Pohl (and Unger). If there are any published articles discussing these marks, I would love to know about them:
6. A symbol, which appears to be the Greek letter π, in the lower cross arms on the reverse:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152739
7. A pellet in the upper cross arms on the reverse (although, given the symmetrical design of the reverse and the pellet, it could also be described as in the lower cross arms):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152736

Thanks for looking. All of these, as well as a few additional medieval Hungarian coins, some miscellaneous other medieval coins, and a few ancient Greek coins, were all acquired at the New York International Numismatic Convention earlier this month.

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« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2019, 07:10:24 am »

Great group,  Thumbs Up

Congratulation  Thumbs Up

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