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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2018, 03:37:25 pm »

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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2018, 11:38:22 am »

I recently added five medieval Hungarian coins issued by Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg (1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437) to my gallery.  The first is a silver parvus. These were struck between 1387-1427:

Huszár 580, Pohl 119-84, Unger 451_, Réthy II 125A, Frynas H.27.8
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147928

The other four are billon quartings, struck between 1430-1437, which are typically crude and unappealing little coins. These four are par for the course:

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-9, Unger 456v, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Struck in Székesfehérvár
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148058

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-44, Unger 456h, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Struck in Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, under a collective authority
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148057

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-_, Unger 456_, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Apparently an unrecorded privy mark
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148056

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-_, Unger 456_, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Also apparently an unrecorded privy mark
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148055

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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2018, 12:16:38 pm »

Oh yes, nice series... Thumbs Up

Congratulation Steve,  Thumbs Up

I always plan to go there once to take these photos from my own collection and present them in my gallery ... Roll Eyes

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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2018, 12:25:57 pm »

Quote from: quadrans on July 16, 2018, 12:16:38 pm
I always plan to go there once to take these photos from my own collection and present them in my gallery ... Roll Eyes

I bought the four of them at the same time a few months back. I generally try to stay reasonably current posting my new acquisitions, although I sometimes fall behind. If you posted all of yours it would be a fantastic resource.

I am not aware of any literature (at least in English) which discusses the reason for the proliferation of privy marks under Sigismund/Zsigmond, so many of which are apparently still unrecorded (at least they did not make it into the catalogs). Any thoughts/explanations?

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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2018, 12:47:41 pm »

Hmm, Sigismund has so many coins with so many privy mark variation, which is not published jet or published mistakenly...(like Pohl).
Pohl mentioned several variations, but not all controlled by others...
Normally Pohl book is very good, except Sigismund and Ulaszló I. This two emperor used a great number of the privy mark, but the most of the small coins quality is very bad and not really recognizable which kind of signs or letters try to use...Huh
We need to make a revision of this.

The good news, our book series after the Árpadian coins we will continue to first the Angevin dynasty ( Karl-Robert, Luis I., and Maria) coins, later the Sigismund coins, and so on...

Yes but this takes time... Roll Eyes

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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2018, 07:06:45 pm »

Thank you for the information on the Maria Denar variationand I have 8 more of the Huszar 102 sigla varieties on the way. It is really amazing how much detail the could get on the parvus and quarting coins. I thought I would reply on this thread so it doesn't change the order of the listing.
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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2018, 07:54:56 am »

I was very pleased to recently add a denar of Mária/Maria (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg), of the type cataloged as Huszár 566, Pohl 112, Unger 442, Réthy II 114, Frynas 26.5. Apart from being an unusually well-struck specimen, the pellet beneath the M on the reverse is a mintmark that is not recorded in any of the catalogs or other literature that I have seen. If anyone is aware of any published literature recording this mintmark, I would appreciate the reference.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150003
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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2018, 10:59:55 am »

Great coin Steve,

I was prepared in 2004 a 1-hour presentation, (in the Open University) from the Maria denars and obulus, that time I have examined more than 1200 coins, I will try to find my slides, how many legend variations were found at that time.
Anyway after when we finished the IInd and IIIrd volume of the Arpadian coinage book, the next Volume the Angevin's will be included Maria's coin. Smiley
This mintmark was mentioned in my work and some more 9-10 new mintmark also.
We write the article from the new type obulus of Maria a few years ago, but sorry it is Hungarian...Sad

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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2018, 11:28:37 am »

Joe, I look forward to each volume of your book. It was and still is my intent to re-examine my entire collection with reference to your book and upgrade my attributions. Time permitting -- I've only begun Kalman/Coloman.

I'd love to see your slides on Maria's coinage, as well as your article. My lack of language proficiency is definitely a handicap (I should have paid closer attention when my mother, grandmother and aunt chattered away in Hungarian when I was a kid). But I learn what I can, in relative isolation from the world of Hungarian numismatics, on my side of the ocean. We should all be grateful to Joe Sermarini for hosting these forums and galleries, which allow us to meet and communicate with other collectors and enrich our enjoyment of our hobby. I certainly am. Thank you, Joe!

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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2018, 11:42:23 am »

Thank you, Steve,

I agree with you, this :

"We should all be grateful to Joe Sermarini for hosting these forums and galleries, which allow us to meet and communicate with other collectors and enrich our enjoyment of our hobby. I certainly am. Thank you, Joe!"

Thank you Joe Sermarini,

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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2018, 03:40:52 pm »

I have added two denarii minted under Maria/Mária (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg) to my gallery:

Huszár 569, Pohl 114-2, Unger 443b, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4, struck in Székesfehérvár/Alba Regia in 1386-1395.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150473

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Huszár 566, Pohl 112-1, Unger 442a, Réthy II 114, Frynas 26.5, Toma plate I/8, probably struck in Buda.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150341

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2018, 01:01:46 am »

Congratulation, Steve,  Thumbs Up
As I told you, Maria coins one of my favourites Wink...

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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2018, 08:12:37 am »

Thanks, Joe. Maria issued few types but each type has its complexities. My next set of acquisitions will be a bunch os Zsigmonds. Stkp
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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2018, 09:57:15 am »

Nice coins! Thumbs Up
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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2018, 09:15:34 pm »

Thanks Edward
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2018, 01:27:47 am »

Quote from: quadrans on October 28, 2018, 01:01:46 am
Congratulation, Steve,  Thumbs Up
As I told you, Maria coins one of my favourites Wink...

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Hi, Steve,

Now I have a new addition from my old coin of Mária, Rare variation Smiley, in my Medieval Galery (Various Ruler):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150538

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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2018, 08:29:38 pm »

Magnificent! I've never seen one of those, Joe. Stkp
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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2018, 05:50:05 am »

I just added a denar issued by Lajos/Louis I (1342-1382) to my gallery. The coin, cataloged as Huszár 532, Pohl 67, Unger 420, Réthy II 73, Frynas H.25.21, is not one of the more common types from this reign:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150721
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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2018, 11:25:22 am »

Nice addition Steve,  Thumbs Up

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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2018, 06:46:03 pm »

More nice coins! Thumbs Up
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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2018, 09:19:32 am »

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« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2018, 08:38:33 am »

I recently posted six denarii issued by Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg as King of Hungary (1387-1437). All are Huszár 576, Pohl 117-__, Unger 449__, Réthy II 121, Frynas H.27.4.

One of them is interesting in that it has a star on the reverse above the shield (perhaps indicating a Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, mint) but also with a symbol to the left of the shield. As such, it bears mintmarks not recorded by Pohl and Unger. I would appreciate any information concerning whether it is recorded elsewhere and what is known about it:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151319

Two have the letter C (standard and retrograde) above the shield, indicating a Kassa/Kaschau/now Košice, Slovakia, mint:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151314
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151315

The other three have the letters O, S and T above the shield, indicating Offenbánya/now Baia de Arieş, Romania; Szomolnok/Schmöllnitz/now Smolnik, Slovakia; and probably Temesvár/now Timișoara, Romania; mints, respectively:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151317
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151318
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151316

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« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2018, 11:21:53 am »

Nice coin, Steve, and also nice descriptions,  Thumbs Up

One day, I hope, I will have enough time to prepare some photo from mine Sigismund coins Smiley  Wink Grin Thumbs Up

Congratulation, great collectionShocked angel

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« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2018, 12:22:37 pm »

Nice coins! I have one with a five pointed star mint mark,but it does not have the letter to the left of the shield. I noticed in the numista catalog that one with an X/D mint mark is listed as Unger 449.epsilon. It lloks like a D to the left of the shield and I am wondering if that could be an X over it. Thumbs Up
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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2018, 02:13:35 pm »

Dear Edward,

The Unger sometimes not clear, what he described, X/D, mintmark could be, the X on the avers somewhere around the Patriarchal Cross, and the D on the reverse over the shield...,  Roll Eyes Huh Thumbs Up

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