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Offline Jay G

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Roman Provincial to ID
« on: December 14, 2017, 07:04:00 pm »
AE 19 mm, 5.3 g, 6h.

O: draped bust r, might be laureate, most readable portion of inscription is end on lower right at 5 o'clock and appears to be A AV
possibly latin?

R: temple with three steps and a single column on either side with goddess inside the temple. what remains of the inscription on the upper left appears to be Greek and  :Greek_Omicron: :Greek_Lambda: and on the upper right opposite the previous letters N for sure the remainder of the inscription is in doubt.

My assumption is that this could be Severan but I am open to all suggestions and thank you in advance for your assistance.

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 10:41:03 pm »
Hi Jay,
Perhaps Trebonianus Gallus on the obverse? Maybe something like this?

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/9/1121/

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2017, 08:50:07 am »
I'm not sure ???

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 09:43:49 am »
Sweet looking OP-coin ... but sadly, I don't have a guess (but it's very cool)

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2017, 02:55:47 pm »
I don't particularly agree with Gallus as the possible ID since the hair is not close cropped as is Gallus' as depicted and bears a more Severan late second early third century hair style if I am not mistaken, so I think this is back to the drawing board. Thanks so far for your input.

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 03:14:19 pm »
Hi Jay,

To me, the obverse portrait looks like Elagabalus, Caracalla, or Geta.

A strange thing about the reverse is that the 3 steps are contained within the vertical columns, instead of in front of them. This is a distinctive and unusual feature. It implies that the steps are inside the temple/shrine, instead of in front of it.

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 04:56:51 pm »
The revers look a Standig Victory or Nikke to left  holding wreat...in front of the Temple..

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 04:58:32 pm »
The bust are mostly Geta ...

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 08:18:20 pm »
Hi Jay,

Your coin is somewhat similar to this coin:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=295735

Interestingly, the description mentions Geta.

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 08:22:37 pm »
Hi Jay,

Your coin also looks somewhat similar to this coin:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=295529

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 08:27:31 pm »
Hi Jay,

Your coin also looks somewhat similar to this coin:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1467701

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2017, 01:24:50 pm »
Dear Jay G & Board,

You are observant to note the Roman lettering, Jay.  I researched the coin a little last night, and based on the reverse legend, I eventually decided to compare it to my Sinope bronze of Geta (attached; 23mm, 6.82 g, 12h; Rec 137A).  A bit surprisingly, the obverses for both coins appear to be a die match, with significant die wear evident on my piece.  Although the coins display different reverse types (with yours being possibly unpublished for Geta), the dates are likely to be the same.  For my piece, the reverse reads "[C I F] SINOPE AN – N – CCLV (V shaped as sideways S)."  Thanks to your coin, Jay, I can better restore the obverse legend for both issues:  "IMP C SEPT GETA AV/G(?)" 

A friend is (or was) compiling a corpus of Sinope Roman provincials for eventual publication.  If interested, feel free to send me a PM or regular e-mail and I will either give you his contact information or perhaps write to him myself about your coin, on your behalf.
 
Hope this helps.


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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2017, 01:36:33 pm »
Isegrim points to Lindgren III 165:

PRO:   PAPHLAGONIA
PO :   SINOPE
PZ :   210
TIL:   C / I / F
   Obverse
VSL:   IMP CAES P SEP GETA AV
VT :   PORTRAIT MAN R / GETA
VA :   WREATH LAUREL / CLOTHES
   Reverse
RSL:   C I F SINO ANN CCLV
RT :   TEMPLE-FRONT OF 2 COLUMNS / THEREIN / WOMAN STANDING HL / NEMESIS <?>
RA :   WHEEL <?>
RF :   YEAR CCLV <255>
   Technical details
M  :   AE
GEW:   6.21(1)
   Bibliographical references
ZIT:   SLG LINDGREN III 165(1)

And it looks to be same.

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2017, 03:10:27 pm »
Dear Pekka and Board,

To come to think of it, I had also come across that coin in Isegrim, but didn't bother to compare it...  As blurry as the images are, I also think we are looking at impressions from the same dies.  I am not entirely certain if the obverse legend is read correctly in Lindgren III, but their reading does seem closer to the truth than mine.

Thank you, Pekka, for your valuable post.  I feel a bit like a dummy right now.


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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2017, 03:32:01 pm »
Congratulation Pekka  :) +++

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2017, 04:32:02 pm »
Thanks all. it took a village but the result is perfect!
cheers & happy holidays.
J

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2017, 06:47:25 pm »
Unknown until now, I've had this one for years. Looks like an obverse die match.  Thanks Mark for helping with a second Sinope for me and thank you Pekka for the reference.

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 09:15:55 pm »
It appears that the census is now three examples; Lindgren's, Charles' and mine. I can't find any other examples in resources or auctions though I suspect that there are others that have remained unidentified....

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Re: Roman Provincial to ID
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2017, 12:27:51 am »
Hi folks,

It seems like Charlie's example doesn't have the steps inside the temple as the other 2 examples do.

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