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Author Topic: Philip II vs. Philip I Billon Tetradrachm: SNG 268  (Read 733 times)

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Offline peterpil19

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Philip II vs. Philip I Billon Tetradrachm: SNG 268
« on: November 11, 2017, 08:09:26 pm »
Hi,

I recently bought a Philip II Billon Tetradrachm from Antioch: McAlee 1043; Prieur 473 (Image 1, below).

When searching the coin in my references I saw that it matched the precise description of SNG Copenhagen 268 which attributes it to Philip I, not Philip II.

Looking on acsearch, I can see some dealers have identified this as an error in SNG Copenhagen whilst one of the major auction houses has at least on one occasion attributed a similar coin to Philip I.

Image 2, below, is an example attributed to Philip II. [Edit: I added an eagle facing right by mistake]
Image 3, below, is an example attributed to Philip I, not Philip II.

In the case of the coin in Image 3, below, is there any difference that I have missed, or should this have been attributed to Philip I. If Philip I is correct, does this mean that similar coins were issued for both emperors. If so, how does one differentiate between them? The only difference I can see is that Philip I looks slightly older (with a beard) as one might expect (and this is the case for the SNG Cop 268 coin, which then does not explain why others have assumed its attribution to Philip I to be an error).


Edit: Looking at BMC volume 20, I can see the same type exist for both emperors: BMC Syria 517 (Philip I), 559-563 (Philip II). Therefore assuming the only way to differentiate them is by the appearance of the Emperor.  The plate for SNG 268 is not particularly clear so hard to see if the emperor has a beard, he does look slightly older, but lacks that protruding jawline of Philip I.

I am interested if anyone has any views or can better clarify the above.

Peter

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Re: Philip II vs. Philip I Billon Tetradrachm: SNG 268
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 05:41:40 am »
very nice winner you have here
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Re: Philip II vs. Philip I Billon Tetradrachm: SNG 268
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 06:51:36 pm »
On the imperial Roman coins from the mints of Rome and (later) Antioch this is how it is:

All coins with the title of Caesar were obviously meant to portray Philip II.  It is only after 247 AD, when he shared the title of Augustus with his father, that there could be some confusion as to who was portrayed on the coins.  Numismatists have traditionally assigned portraits with a beard to Philip I, and those without a beard to Philip II.  This is probably as good a way as any to solve the problem.

I suspect the same also holds true for the eastern tetradrachms of Philip I and Philip II.

In my gallery i have these three coins:

Philip I, with beard and the title of Augustus (CEB)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-107168

Philip II, no beard, title of Caesar (KECAP)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-107166

Philip II, no beard, title or Augustus (CEB)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-107173

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Re: Philip II vs. Philip I Billon Tetradrachm: SNG 268
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2017, 08:57:40 pm »
Thanks Okidoki,

Thanks Callimachus,

I enjoy coming across challenges /complications when attributing coins. You learn something each time. It is a shame the plates are of such poor quality. I would be interested to know whether the coin listed at 268 actually has a Philip wearing a beard...

Peter

 

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