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Wojciech U

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Question - how these formations came to be
« on: October 10, 2017, 02:20:58 pm »
Hey,

Below I attach photos of Pantikapaion bronze coin, griffin + sturgeon reverse, head of Pan obverse.

Coin is clearly overcleaned and scratched a lot, but question is about formations around letters and around some other details on reverse. English is not my native language so it's even hard to find a name for it. I mean this slightly elevated thing that encircles letters and those lines, like the one next to griffin's neck.

I looked through some pictures of this coin online and didn't find anything like it. Could it be minted this way? Or maybe it was tooled somehow?

Thx in advance for Your oppinions,
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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 04:34:16 pm »
Probably resulting from a slight double strike.
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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2017, 05:02:10 pm »
I figure that it's merely an awesome attempt by the engraver (Tony, engraver #7) to make his art "pop" ... it doesn't really look like a double-strike to me (but curtis probably has more "likes" than I do)

I have a hippo example where some kid tried telling me that my example was double-struck (I think I was booted-out for a time-out that night?)

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... but who knows, eh? (it would be awesome if they had the answers in the back of the book)

Here is my example of a similar design item (my hippo has some sweet 2000 year old 3-d efforts going -on ... I love it)


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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 05:42:53 pm »
Hi Steve,

I've seen that same feature on the legs of MFBs on several Neapolis didrachms.

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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2017, 06:59:46 pm »
... yah, sometimes I don't get your acronyms ...

What's an MFB?

man-faced bull

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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2017, 07:09:59 pm »
aaahhhh, thanks Peter ... Man faced bull (gotcha ... hey, I was close)

Ummm, how 'bout these cool examples? (yah, I "love" animal coins)

=> especially man-faced animals (pretty fricken cool)



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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2017, 07:44:14 pm »
Nice => Meep & Peter, you're correct => the MFB and the Hippo do have similar 3-d attempts

... thanks for noticing that these are "not" double-strikes

I love you cool big-shooter Forvm dudes (thanks for slummin' with the help)

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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 11:59:50 pm »
The Man-Face Bull looks like nice (intentional) engraving effects. However, getting back to the original post, what about those formations (halo effect?) around the letters? I have a coin in my gallery with similar halo/ghosting effects:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-140559

Would those be caused by double-strike? Or maybe the dies were re-cut?

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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 11:32:27 am »
Hey Meep ... how is your Sunday night shapin'-up?

Hi SP,

Thanks for asking.

I spent the weekend at my vacation home on Triton (a moon of Neptune). On Friday, I hopped in my space ship and flew to Triton. I returned back to Earth on Monday. ;D ::)

On Sunday night, I watched Neptune rise over Triton's horizon. It was spectacular.

In 2 weeks, I will fly my space ship to the Andromeda galaxy to visit some of relatives.

By the way, in case you didn't know, Meepzorp (my username and avatar) is an alien form outer space.

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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 02:30:05 pm »
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Re: Question - how these formations came to be
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 02:34:33 pm »
It is a double strike.

Bull legs actually look like that, so not double struck or relevant to the topic. The hippo was probably engraved by someone more familiar with bulls.
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