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« on: July 30, 2017, 07:59:45 am »

Yah, I couldn't decide between the left-facing dragon, or the right-facing dragon

=> so there seemed to be only one logical solution => cha-ching, buy 'em both!! (they're so cool, I couldn't resist)

I hadn't seen too many of these examples, so again, I decided that I'd better snag 'em both!

ISLAMIC, Anatolia & al-Jazira (Post-Seljuk). Artuqids (Mardin)
Nasir al-Din Artuq Arslan. Æ Dirham
Mardin mint
AH 597-637 / AD 1200-1239
Dated AH 599 (AD 1202/3)
Diameter: 29mm
Weight: 9.09 grams
Obverse: Centaur advancing right (oh, and left depending upon which one of my sweet coins you are gazing at ... both are awesome), head facing, drawing bow at head of dragon emerging from his tail; mint name and AH date around
Reverse: Names and titles of Abbasid caliph al-Nasir and Ayyubid overlord in four lines; name of Nasir al-Din Artuq Arslan in margins
Reference: Whelan Type II, pp. 111-2; S&S Type 38.2; Album 1830.2; ICV 1212
Other: 3h … VF, earthen dark brown-black patina, areas of weak strike

Ex Künker 204 (12 March 2012), lot 1098 (part of)
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 08:02:19 am »

Ooops, I meant to post this thread in the Islamic category (sorry if I offended any Parthian collectors)

... pretty cool coin though, eh?

NOTE: I am unsure how to tell a moderator to move this thread to the proper location (I tried to use "report to a moderator" => but the response told me that it doesn't make sense to report your own thread)

... so if anybody can help a brother out, I'd appreciate it (thanks)
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 09:22:48 am »

Great coins!
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2017, 02:24:20 pm »

Thanks, Molinari ... yah, they are pretty cool (and a nice hefty size to 'em as well ... they feel great in-hand)
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2017, 09:21:49 pm »

Thank you for sharing Steve,

I've never seen these before. Both really nice coins.

I wish you hadn't shared them because now they are on my ever-growing wish list...

Peter
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2017, 07:58:28 pm »


Very cool designs, looks like another thing I did not know I needed.

But now I know...
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2017, 06:44:48 pm »

I like you guys ... thanks for the coin-pep-talk

Cheers
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 10:06:37 am »


Not too many Islamic coins with animals or people, but those that do have them seem to be very cool.

Outside of the far east, how many coins feature dragons?

I can think of Saint George and the Dragon on some moderns...what about Medieval or Ancient?

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2017, 06:07:53 pm »

Dragons?

=> how 'bout this sweet dragon coin?! (chompin' on a maiden!)

The Duke of Milan, Bernabo and Galeazzo II Visconti, AR Grosso or Pegione
1355-1378 AD
Diameter: 25 mm
Weight: 2.50 grams
Obverse: Snake with maiden in its mouth between B G; above (an eagle) a aquiletta R/S
Reverse: Ambrose on the throne


... hmmm, maybe it's a serpent? (but it always reminds me of a dragon, eh?)

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2017, 08:24:05 pm »


That is super cool.

There must be a myth or legend behind that design.

Who puts a dragon eating a maiden on their coins otherwise?

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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 07:46:07 pm »

These coins are fairly common.  I think I have four of them.  If you collect Islamic Figural Bronzes, like I do, you run into fairly often.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2017, 05:33:41 am »

These coins are fairly common.  I think I have four of them.  If you collect Islamic Figural Bronzes, like I do, you run into fairly often.

Mr Cole , how are you ?

Since you mentioned you collect Islamic , have you ever come across something like this ?


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Topic: Identification Help Required    « on: July 23, 2017, 05:18:21 am »


Thank you
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 07:47:37 pm »

Thanks Howey, I'd love to see your four examples (you rock, my new coin-friend)

=> apparently you have coin-skills to burn!! (oh => please show 'em, show 'em, show 'em)

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2017, 08:22:11 pm »

Wouldn't happen for a while.  I have just been able to type again just recently.  Been having operations on my figures for arthritis.  I would have the scan the coins and that will take awhile, which I don't know if I can find the time with school having started.
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2017, 06:39:40 am »

=> how 'bout this sweet dragon coin?! (chompin' on a maiden!)

Hi folks,

Here is my example of Steve's Milan coin (first coin):

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/mi_milan_pt02.htm

The creature is a biscia, which is a serpent/snake.

The figure in the biscia's mouth probably isn't a maiden. It is probably a child. For clarification, see my second coin in that page. The figure is clearly a child and not a maiden.

To attempt to answer Theo's question, I think it has something to do with a member of Milan's Visconti family defeating an enemy (or killing a child challenger?) and assuming the throne. I'm not 100% sure.

Some people even claim that the biscia isn't eating or devouring the child. In this scenario, the biscia is "spitting up" or giving birth to the child. Who knows?

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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2017, 06:50:16 am »

Hi folks,

That design is repeated on many Milan coins. There are several examples in my 7 Milan website pages:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/medieval_italy_home.htm

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2017, 02:49:43 pm »

Thanks Meep ... Hmmm, but sadly, a snake eating a child is even more controversial than a snake eating a maiden!!

=> although still very cool (imagine all of the children fearing the serpent that eats lil' kids!!)

Yah, I love that coin

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thanks, and sorry for barging-in and derailing yet another thread (cool thread though ... thanks guys)

*awww, crap* => this is "my" thread (ahahaha) ... well, somehow I managed to derail my own thread!!

Cheers, coin-bros
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