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« on: July 23, 2017, 05:18:21 am »

Hello there,

I need help with attached pictures of a GOLD COIN (Verified by GoldSmith that the material is Gold). It weights 4.420 Grams.

Any Help in identification including Period, Kings etc will be really appreciable.

Thanks in Advance.

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 09:32:47 pm »

Hi,

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This looks like an Islamic coin.
I cannot vouch for its authenticity or help narrow it down any further.

Perhaps you can re-post this under the "Other Types of Ancient Coins" Board or a moderator can move it there for you so you can get a response from someone more knowledgeable about these kinds of coins.

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 08:57:58 am »

I have some doubts that it is a genuine coin. It may be an imitative fantasy coin, intended to look like an Islamic coin.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2017, 09:45:12 am »

Thanks for the response.

I took it to goldsmith and he confirmed this being of pure gold.

Weight is 4.420 Grams to be exact.

Kindly if you put in detail your thoughts of coin why not be genuine?
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 12:05:52 pm »

I have some doubts that it is a genuine coin. It may be an imitative fantasy coin, intended to look like an Islamic coin.

+1

The first word ( up right )  is Al Sultan ( the king ) , which missing N on the coin.
Maybe an  an imitative fantasy of Mamalik or Mamluk Bahri.

Coin is not clear to read.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 01:24:23 pm »

I can't read Arabic but it looks like fake script copying Arabic, not real Arabic to me.

Sam, who wrote the post above, can read Arabic. His +1 is a strong confirmation. I was hoping he would give an opinion. Christian crusaders sometimes struck imitatives of Islamic coins. This might be one, but I cannot confirm that.
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 01:56:50 pm »

OK ,  the letters are "funny "
As example the Almohad state used this type of letter but not this bad.

On this photo from top to bottom ; the third line from right to left suppose to state the ruler 's name ; I can hardly read Dabous دبوس  
It could be wrong (?)   ( a ruler from the Almohad  called  Abu Dabbus , also called Idris al-Wathiq )

Or could be Abou  ( Father of  ( the classic way for rulers name in Islamic ) )  , I can not read after that in that line .

the 4th line   is  Son of the Sultan  بن السلطان

The last line  Could be   بكسد      B K S D   ( Which suppose to be the Sultan 's Father )  or mint city (?)

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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 02:06:46 pm »

I know , I confused you all , there is nothing clear on the coin .
I hope collector who deal with late Islamic type , see it .
They will know right away if it is official or not.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2017, 08:31:30 pm »

I have been still searching , also the Ghorids ( Mamalik of  Syria ) has some close ones but a lot better type of letter .

The closest are for Sultan Alaa Al Din Mahmoud  علاء الدين محمود  ( could be an  imitative of )
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2017, 05:17:05 am »

Real Thanks Sam for your suggestions. What i can get is that you cannot say anything for sure because coin is not Clear but your closest Guess is a Coin from the time of Sultaan Alaa Al Din Mahmoud Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alauddin_Mahmud_Syah_I

Do you know any Collector of Ancient Islamic Coins of this era, or some other appropriate place on this forum where i should ask for further details of this coin.

Please keep me posted for any further findings of yours on this.

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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2017, 05:42:40 am »

Adnan , I am just thinking of possibilities.
Joe's theory is very strong , with this type of poor letter.

Bakkar is a friend of all here , he collects Islamic coins and deal with , a lot more than me ( I do not collect Islamic )
So let us wait for him.
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2017, 05:59:07 am »

Thanks. Sure lets wait for his response or any other more knowledgeable person about Islamic Coins.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2017, 06:16:10 am »

Sure , also from your name , I assume you read some Arabic .

Maybe you like to try to find a match coin , myself I looked everywhere ..nothing.
Your coin secret, if ORIGINAL is in line.
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2017, 07:04:34 am »

Sure , also from your name , I assume you read some Arabic .

Maybe you like to try to find a match coin , myself I looked everywhere ..nothing.
Your coin secret, if ORIGINAL is in line.

Thanks Sam for all the help and response.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2018, 08:50:06 am »

Adnan , I am just thinking of possibilities.
Joe's theory is very strong , with this type of poor letter.

Bakkar is a friend of all here , he collects Islamic coins and deal with , a lot more than me ( I do not collect Islamic )
So let us wait for him.

Any updates of Bakkar. I am still waiting for something sure about this coin. There is a way in forum to refer the topic to a member but one needs to have email of that member.

Possible sam to have bakkar email?
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2018, 04:47:22 pm »

Dear Adnan, Sam, Joe and board

This is Khwarizmshahs, 'Ala al-Din Muhammad b. Takish, AV dinar, mint and date off flan. The inscription on obv.
السلطان الاعظم
علا الدنيا والدين
ابو الفتح محمد
بن السلطان
تكش
On reverse, Shahada and the Caliph's nam of al - Nasir

The dinar is ancient but common and in low grade.

Hope this helps
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2018, 12:48:06 am »

Real Thanks bakkar for sharing your insights on this.

Any say on how much can be the cost of this coin based on its condition? We verified it from a goldsmith and he confirmed its ancient and pure gold. Weight is 4.20 Grams.

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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2018, 02:14:46 pm »

The coin is common and in horrible condition, therefore the value of the coin is only the current price of  4.20 gms of gold.

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2018, 12:09:01 pm »

Thanks Bakkar for your valuable input.

I dont know if this is right forum to ask this but are you knowledge able in old Quranic Manuscripts. I have few with me any help on this will be appreciated. If this is not the place to ask about this then kindly if you know of any forums where i can share their pictures.

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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2018, 12:33:17 pm »

Ok, put pictures on this forum but in "other antiquities"  division.

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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2018, 01:30:37 pm »

Ok Thanks i have made two new posts in other antiques division. Hopefully you can see them.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2018, 12:29:35 am »

Ok, put pictures on this forum but in "other antiquities"  division.

H.Bakkar

Dear Bakkar, i have made 3 post with titles similar to "Identification help required Quranic Manuscripts" in other antiques section of forum.

Kindly have a look at attached pics of these manuscripts and i would really appreciate your word about period, rarity and price of these manuscripts.

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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2018, 09:49:03 am »

Ok, put pictures on this forum but in "other antiquities"  division.

H.Bakkar

Dear Bakkar,

Here are links to three posts in which i have uploaded the pictures of Quranic Manuscripts for which i would really appreciate your help.

1. https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=114963.0

2. https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=114962.0

3.  https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=114961.0

Kindly have a look in your free time.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2018, 07:17:20 am »

Adnan R, Do not carry on a conversation with one person on the discussion board. Use private messages. You have wasted my time.
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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2018, 08:04:54 am »

Sorry for that Joe, Bakkar is a specialist in Islamic coins and some people recommend him to help me in identification of some coins due to which i addressed him.

Sorry if i violated the rules.

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