Author Topic: Gallienus bust type (Read 2615 times)

tetrico · « **on:** June 05, 2017, 04:06:39 am »

Hello,
there is someone who can help me about this coin?
...sorry for the photo, but the coin is not yet in my hands (I've just purchased it).

I think it's a rare (unpublished?) coin of Gallienus, reverse MARTI PACIFERO with the bust of the emperor seen from behind.
Could someone send me the scan of the Goebl MIR pages dealing about this reverse?

I think it's from Rome mint, but I have not found any other examples with this type of bust.

Many thanks to all... and sorry for my english.

Pekka K · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2017, 05:41:54 am »

Göbl 570r looks like this:

Pekka K

COINS FAN · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2017, 05:48:39 am »

Particular angle of bust. The left shoulder is not here. But not from behind because we see the right shoulder and the fibula.

tetrico · « **Reply #3 on:** June 05, 2017, 05:54:38 am »

yes, it's a particular angle of view.
In fact I don't think that is the same of 570r.
but there is like something in front on the middle of the bust: may be an Egida?

tetrico · « **Reply #4 on:** June 05, 2017, 06:20:07 am »

Pekka, Ia sk you if, possible, a scan of the Göbl n° 586 g and Göbl 775 l (this one may be a medaillon).
many thanks.

Pekka K · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2017, 06:38:30 am »

Yes, similar obverse. Here they are:

tetrico · « **Reply #6 on:** June 05, 2017, 06:49:41 am »

wonderful!!!
many thanks Pekka

tetrico · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2017, 06:50:34 am »

Does Gobl say nothing about the year and mint of this two coins?

Pekka K · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2017, 07:03:54 am »

Numbers 570 & 586 are listed in Emission 9/1.
Number 775 has wider range: Emissions 6 - 10.

Pekka K

tetrico · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2017, 08:51:31 am »

Many thanks!

Gert · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2017, 05:46:41 am »

I think the coin in question shows a bust with paludamentum and cuirass seen from the front. The bust is slightly longer than usual with this bust. Göbl does not list this bust type for this issue. The other two busts as shown are quite different. One has a shouldered caduceus, and the other has a nude bust with an aegis, quite different from a paludamentum, if only the absence of a fibula.
Regards
Gert

tetrico · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2017, 04:43:05 am »

The last question: this bust type is list for others issue?

Gert · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2017, 06:13:11 am »

Yes, it's very common. Your coin shows a variant representation of the bust with a slightly longer body.
Regards
Gert

tetrico · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2017, 08:17:18 am »

I saw many and many specimens of coins of Gallienus, but none has this type of bust.
I'm sure that it's not a common bust.
None in acsearch, none in cgb.fr, none at this link http://gallienus.net/
there is not only a particular angle of view but also a different version. The bust is draped with a sort of "Egina".

Gert · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2017, 08:22:52 am »

Evidently it is a rare variant representation of a common bust type.

I am not sure what you mean with 'egina'.

Regards
Gert

tetrico · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2017, 08:55:45 am »

sorry! not egina! it's a mistake... "egida"!

Gert · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2017, 09:20:39 am »

Aha. It can't be that bust with the aegis, because your bust clearly shows a fibula that fixes the paludamentum over the cuirass.
Regards
Gert

tetrico · « **Reply #17 on:** June 26, 2017, 04:50:39 pm »

Two better images.

stevex6 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 26, 2017, 08:57:13 pm »

interesting

tetrico · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2017, 02:45:53 am »

Sorry but I can't understand your reply. If it's a joke it's not so laughing

stevex6 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 28, 2017, 05:17:27 pm »

I bought this baby a few days ago ...

laugh it up (I thought it had a sweet reverse)

tetrico · « **Reply #21 on:** June 29, 2017, 05:45:24 am »

It's a very nice reverse and in very good conservation

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Author Topic: Gallienus bust type (Read 2615 times)